"To-night Mr. T. Trice and Piggot came to see me, and desire my going down to Brampton Court, where for Piggot's sake, for whom it is necessary, I should go"
This has to do with Pepys' desire to secure as much as possible of the land he might conceivably have inherited from his Uncle Robert, whose Brampton's land-holdings titles were in various degrees of unclarity. I went for help with Uncle Robert's Will and the Trices to http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclo…
Uncle Robert's estate owes T. Trice and Piggott owes the estate.
October 27 1662: "I am to pay [T. Trice] by giving him leave to buy about 40l. worth of Piggott's land and to strike off so much of Piggott's debt, and the other to give him bond to pay him in 12 months after without interest, only giving him a power to buy more land of Piggott and paying him that way as he did for the other, which I am well enough contented with, or at least to take the land at that price and give him the money." http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
This requires a court appearance by SP in Brampton.
Re Piggott's debt: 20 July 1661 "Then Sir Robert [Bernard] and I fell to talk about the money due to us upon surrender from Piggott, 164l., which he tells me will go with debts to the heir at law [sc. SP's Uncle Thomas]," http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
October 11 1662: re "Piggott..., whose land lies mortgaged to my late uncle, but never taken up by him, and so I fear the heire at law [sc., SP's Uncle Thomas] will do it and that we cannot, but my design is to supplant him by pretending bonds as well as a mortgage for the same money, and so as executor have the benefit of the bonds." http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
The name of the college at Cambridge University, Caius, is pronounced "Keys" for reasons discovered in Wim van der Miej's annotation of 11 March 2004 http://www.cam.ac.uk/admissions/u…
So, I gather, in the end, having been ridiculed and raked over the coals by Messrs. Pepys and Coventry, Colonel William Legge, Lieutenant of the Ordnance, doesn't really care about how much he and his colleagues make supplying ordnance, but about keeping their jobs doing it, which is, after all, their raison d'être.
Methinks this Thomas Fuller is another, who is now Rector of Navenby, Lincs. (L&M provide him no death date in their Index). (Clement, keen read of Roger Miller's annote, which seems to be attached to the other of the name.)
"Do we know (from notes in L&M maybe?)if Sam ever saw one of Moreland's machines? Surely, he would have loved it!"
Australian Susan, (SPOILER) he sees it 14 March 1669, & is not impressed: http://books.google.com/books?id=…'s+late+invention&source=web&ots=1g2TxgFhbX&sig=e9ybeE_op60qsvkXc-2bIFe-YGk
"it is a strange thing to observe and fit for me to remember that I am at no time so unwilling to part with money as when I am concerned in the getting of it most"
Strange, and good to write down. So for SP the lust for money is its own cure?
Robert, Good points and lessons for a great many. My reaction's from recent reading about systemic bias and violent racism in Southern California that escaped me while I, an inveterate newspaper reader even then, was in elementary school in the late 1940s-early 50s. But I'm off-topic even metaphorically.
Robert, also to be recalled is that those "lower middle and working class veterans who never looked back" -- Uncle Sam's (Edward Mountagu's) favored nephews (Samuel Pepys) -- were white. http://www.nber.org/digest/dec02/…
Also thanks for a list of Wills who won't.
Michael, good evidence SP doesn't take it off the top; the Duke does.
Well, of course, rereading, "I would have my hand in the business" might have more than one meaning; but with the Duke close at hand, I doubt SP will be raking it in off the top.
"Hmm. Improving the Lotteries for the benefit of Government. Maybe also a teeny-weeny bit will come Sam's way as well?"
Probably not, Aussie Sue: this is for King and creds, not cash.
The first discussion of the lotteries for fund-raising was at the first action-meeting of the the Fishery Committee a week ago (13 September) http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1… "a Committee for the Fishery,[formed 8 days prior, 5 September] the Duke of Yorke...was made Secretary [and] I was willing to be [a member], because I would have my hand in the business, to understand it and be known in doing something in it; " http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
Andrew, yea, time marches on and so does "The Great Traveller" Blount. BTW, I did not quote his observations of "Gran Cairo" themselves, but only the reference to them in the second (and final) long introductory paragraph.
"Egypt, eh? Pity Sam doesn't tell us more as what was thought about that mysterious land by Englishmen of his day."
Robert, go to Sir Henry Blount himself. For as far as his itinerary was concerned, he tells us "The laft and choice piece of my intent, was to view Gran Cairo, and that for two caufes; firft, it being clearely the greateft concourfe of Mankinde in thefe times, and perhaps that ever was; there must needs be fome proportionable fpirit in the Government: for fuch vafte multitudes, and thofe of wits fo deeply malicious, would foone breed confufion,famine, and utter defolation, if in the Tukifh domination there were nothing but fottifh fenfualitie, as moft Chriftians conceive : Laftly, becaufe Egypt is held to have beene the fountaine of all Science and Arts civill. therefore I did hope to finde fome fparke of thofe cinders not yet put out; or elfe in the extreme contrarietie I flould receive an impreffion as important, from the ocular view of fo great a revolution: for above all other fenfes, the eye having the moft immediate, and quicke commerce with the foule, gives it a more fmart touch then the reft, leaving in the fancy fomewhat unutterable; fo that an eye witnefle of things conceives them with an imagination more compleat, ftrong, and intuitive, then he can either apprehend, or deliver by way of relation; for relations are not only in great part falfe, out of the;relaters misinformation, vanitie, or intereft; but which is unavoidable, their choice, and frame agrees more naturally with his judgement,whofe iffue they are, then with his readers;...." p. 3. http://books.google.com/books?id=…
Contra Iman Hamam quoted above this is contra-Bacon insofar as his Novum Organum's XLI rails against "The Idols of the Tribe [which] have their foundation in human nature itself, and in the tribe or race of men. For it is a false assertion that the sense of man is the measure of things. On the contrary, all perceptions, as well of the sense as of the mind, are according to the measure of the individual and not according to the measure of the universe. And the human understanding is like a false mirror, which, receiving rays irregularly, distorts and discolors the nature of things by mingling its own nature with it." http://www.whitworth.edu/Core/Cla…
How the mighty have fallen. Lord Teviot, yesterday's dashing near-hero is today's tale's potential tyrant. Either way, a man with a large ego and ambitions.
"[As a traveller.] Sir Henry Blount, had an altogether...secular and Baconian frame of mind, as is evidenced in his A Voyage into the Levant (1636). Blount's interest was not so much religious as scientific, and his approach to his encounters was more open. His text is also more prescriptive about the correct manner with which to engage with the Ottomans, though amicably so. Blount, writing in the early 17th century, witnessed the Ottoman Empire at the period of its greatest power and magnificence, comparing it to what he considered to be the then sorry state of one of the greatest powers of antiquity, Egypt.
"Throughout his travels in the Levant and the Orient, Blount took notes on what he observed. His was a form of "strategic travelling," taking both travel and travel writing to a new level of sophistication. His mission was also designed to bring commercial and other benefits to Britain, helping to "stimulate the market for coffee," for example. By the time Blount wrote his Voyage the secular approach of the new scientific age, of which he was a product, had led to the realisation that "nations and the institutions that attend them are as much historical products of geography, nature and climate as they are of religious belief."" http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/7…
A Voyage into the Levant went through 8 editions by 1671. The Pepysian Library has the edition of 1637. Here is the 1st ed. of 1636: http://books.google.com/books?id=…
"[As a traveller.] Sir Henry Blount, had an altogether...secular and Baconian frame of mind, as is evidenced in his A Voyage into the Levant (1636). Blount's interest was not so much religious as scientific, and his approach to his encounters was more open. His text is also more prescriptive about the correct manner with which to engage with the Ottomans, though amicably so. Blount, writing in the early 17th century, witnessed the Ottoman Empire at the period of its greatest power and magnificence, comparing it to what he considered to be the then sorry state of one of the greatest powers of antiquity, Egypt.
"Throughout his travels in the Levant and the Orient, Blount took notes on what he observed. His was a form of "strategic travelling," taking both travel and travel writing to a new level of sophistication. His mission was also designed to bring commercial and other benefits to Britain, helping to "stimulate the market for coffee," for example. By the time Blount wrote his Voyage the secular approach of the new scientific age, of which he was a product, had led to the realisation that "nations and the institutions that attend them are as much historical products of geography, nature and climate as they are of religious belief."" http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/7…
A Voyage into the Levant went through 8 editions by 1671. The Pepysian Library has the edition of 1637. Here is the 1st ed. of 1626: http://books.google.com/books?id=…
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About Tuesday 27 September 1664
Terry F • Link
"To-night Mr. T. Trice and Piggot came to see me, and desire my going down to Brampton Court, where for Piggot's sake, for whom it is necessary, I should go"
This has to do with Pepys' desire to secure as much as possible of the land he might conceivably have inherited from his Uncle Robert, whose Brampton's land-holdings titles were in various degrees of unclarity. I went for help with Uncle Robert's Will and the Trices to http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclo…
Uncle Robert's estate owes T. Trice and Piggott owes the estate.
October 27 1662: "I am to pay [T. Trice] by giving him leave to buy about 40l. worth of Piggott's land and to strike off so much of Piggott's debt, and the other to give him bond to pay him in 12 months after without interest, only giving him a power to buy more land of Piggott and paying him that way as he did for the other, which I am well enough contented with, or at least to take the land at that price and give him the money." http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
This requires a court appearance by SP in Brampton.
Re Piggott's debt: 20 July 1661 "Then Sir Robert [Bernard] and I fell to talk about the money due to us upon surrender from Piggott, 164l., which he tells me will go with debts to the heir at law [sc. SP's Uncle Thomas]," http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
October 11 1662: re "Piggott..., whose land lies mortgaged to my late uncle, but never taken up by him, and so I fear the heire at law [sc., SP's Uncle Thomas] will do it and that we cannot, but my design is to supplant him by pretending bonds as well as a mortgage for the same money, and so as executor have the benefit of the bonds." http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
I'm open to help getting this clear.
About Caius College, Cambridge
Terry F • Link
The name of the college at Cambridge University, Caius, is pronounced "Keys" for reasons discovered in Wim van der Miej's annotation of 11 March 2004 http://www.cam.ac.uk/admissions/u…
About Saturday 24 September 1664
Terry F • Link
So, I gather, in the end, having been ridiculed and raked over the coals by Messrs. Pepys and Coventry, Colonel William Legge, Lieutenant of the Ordnance, doesn't really care about how much he and his colleagues make supplying ordnance, but about keeping their jobs doing it, which is, after all, their raison d'être.
About Saturday 24 September 1664
Terry F • Link
"The passing bell of plague warning has begun to toll....."
Such rumors go around, and some are true; this one, L&M say, is likely not.
About Friday 23 September 1664
Terry F • Link
More reading reveals some confusion about the Fullers all along. Thomas Fuller (b) http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclo… was an author whose death of a mysterious fever Pepys noted 16 August 1661. http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
Thomas Fuller (a) http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclo… , the Divine, should be linked today.
About Friday 23 September 1664
Terry F • Link
Methinks this Thomas Fuller is another, who is now Rector of Navenby, Lincs. (L&M provide him no death date in their Index). (Clement, keen read of Roger Miller's annote, which seems to be attached to the other of the name.)
About Friday 23 September 1664
Terry F • Link
"the palate of my mouth falling, I was in great pain all night."
Perhaps a swollen uvula? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pala…
About Friday 23 September 1664
Terry F • Link
"his business to get a man discharged"
i.e., a waterman discharged from impressment (L&M explain).
About Wednesday 21 September 1664
Terry F • Link
"Do we know (from notes in L&M maybe?)if Sam ever saw one of Moreland's machines? Surely, he would have loved it!"
Australian Susan, (SPOILER) he sees it 14 March 1669, & is not impressed: http://books.google.com/books?id=…'s+late+invention&source=web&ots=1g2TxgFhbX&sig=e9ybeE_op60qsvkXc-2bIFe-YGk
About Wednesday 21 September 1664
Terry F • Link
"it is a strange thing to observe and fit for me to remember that I am at no time so unwilling to part with money as when I am concerned in the getting of it most"
Strange, and good to write down. So for SP the lust for money is its own cure?
About Tuesday 20 September 1664
Terry F • Link
Robert, Good points and lessons for a great many. My reaction's from recent reading about systemic bias and violent racism in Southern California that escaped me while I, an inveterate newspaper reader even then, was in elementary school in the late 1940s-early 50s. But I'm off-topic even metaphorically.
About Tuesday 20 September 1664
Terry F • Link
Robert, also to be recalled is that those "lower middle and working class veterans who never looked back" -- Uncle Sam's (Edward Mountagu's) favored nephews (Samuel Pepys) -- were white. http://www.nber.org/digest/dec02/…
Also thanks for a list of Wills who won't.
Michael, good evidence SP doesn't take it off the top; the Duke does.
About Tuesday 20 September 1664
Terry F • Link
Well, of course, rereading, "I would have my hand in the business" might have more than one meaning; but with the Duke close at hand, I doubt SP will be raking it in off the top.
About Tuesday 20 September 1664
Terry F • Link
"Hmm. Improving the Lotteries for the benefit of Government. Maybe also a teeny-weeny bit will come Sam's way as well?"
Probably not, Aussie Sue: this is for King and creds, not cash.
The first discussion of the lotteries for fund-raising was at the first action-meeting of the the Fishery Committee a week ago (13 September)
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1… "a Committee for the Fishery,[formed 8 days prior, 5 September] the Duke of Yorke...was made Secretary [and] I was willing to be [a member], because I would have my hand in the business, to understand it and be known in doing something in it; " http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
About Monday 19 September 1664
Terry F • Link
Andrew, yea, time marches on and so does "The Great Traveller" Blount.
BTW, I did not quote his observations of "Gran Cairo" themselves, but only the reference to them in the second (and final) long introductory paragraph.
About Sir Henry Blount
Terry F • Link
A portrait of Sir Henry Blount, Traveller, by Sir Peter Lely http://www.npg.org.uk/live/search…
About Monday 19 September 1664
Terry F • Link
"Egypt, eh? Pity Sam doesn't tell us more as what was thought about that mysterious land by Englishmen of his day."
Robert, go to Sir Henry Blount himself. For as far as his itinerary was concerned, he tells us "The laft and choice piece of my intent, was to view Gran Cairo, and that for two caufes; firft, it being clearely the greateft concourfe of Mankinde in thefe times, and perhaps that ever was; there must needs be fome proportionable fpirit in the Government: for fuch vafte multitudes, and thofe of wits fo deeply malicious, would foone breed confufion,famine, and utter defolation, if in the Tukifh domination there were nothing but fottifh fenfualitie, as moft Chriftians conceive : Laftly, becaufe Egypt is held to have beene the fountaine of all Science and Arts civill. therefore I did hope to finde fome fparke of thofe cinders not yet put out; or elfe in the extreme contrarietie I flould receive an impreffion as important, from the ocular view of fo great a revolution: for above all other fenfes, the eye having the moft immediate, and quicke commerce with the foule, gives it a more fmart touch then the reft, leaving in the fancy fomewhat unutterable; fo that an eye witnefle of things conceives them with an imagination more compleat, ftrong, and intuitive, then he can either apprehend, or deliver by way of relation; for relations are not only in great part falfe, out of the;relaters misinformation, vanitie, or intereft; but which is unavoidable, their choice, and frame agrees more naturally with his judgement,whofe iffue they are, then with his readers;...." p. 3. http://books.google.com/books?id=…
Contra Iman Hamam quoted above this is contra-Bacon insofar as his Novum Organum's XLI rails against "The Idols of the Tribe [which] have their foundation in human nature itself, and in the tribe or race of men. For it is a false assertion that the sense of man is the measure of things. On the contrary, all perceptions, as well of the sense as of the mind, are according to the measure of the individual and not according to the measure of the universe. And the human understanding is like a false mirror, which, receiving rays irregularly, distorts and discolors the nature of things by mingling its own nature with it."
http://www.whitworth.edu/Core/Cla…
About Monday 19 September 1664
Terry F • Link
How the mighty have fallen. Lord Teviot, yesterday's dashing near-hero is today's tale's potential tyrant. Either way, a man with a large ego and ambitions.
About Monday 19 September 1664
Terry F • Link
"[As a traveller.] Sir Henry Blount, had an altogether...secular and Baconian frame of mind, as is evidenced in his A Voyage into the Levant (1636). Blount's interest was not so much religious as scientific, and his approach to his encounters was more open. His text is also more prescriptive about the correct manner with which to engage with the Ottomans, though amicably so. Blount, writing in the early 17th century, witnessed the Ottoman Empire at the period of its greatest power and magnificence, comparing it to what he considered to be the then sorry state of one of the greatest powers of antiquity, Egypt.
"Throughout his travels in the Levant and the Orient, Blount took notes on what he observed. His was a form of "strategic travelling," taking both travel and travel writing to a new level of sophistication. His mission was also designed to bring commercial and other benefits to Britain, helping to "stimulate the market for coffee," for example. By the time Blount wrote his Voyage the secular approach of the new scientific age, of which he was a product, had led to the realisation that "nations and the institutions that attend them are as much historical products of geography, nature and climate as they are of religious belief."" http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/7…
A Voyage into the Levant went through 8 editions by 1671. The Pepysian Library has the edition of 1637. Here is the 1st ed. of 1636: http://books.google.com/books?id=…
About Sir Henry Blount
Terry F • Link
"[As a traveller.] Sir Henry Blount, had an altogether...secular and Baconian frame of mind, as is evidenced in his A Voyage into the Levant (1636). Blount's interest was not so much religious as scientific, and his approach to his encounters was more open. His text is also more prescriptive about the correct manner with which to engage with the Ottomans, though amicably so. Blount, writing in the early 17th century, witnessed the Ottoman Empire at the period of its greatest power and magnificence, comparing it to what he considered to be the then sorry state of one of the greatest powers of antiquity, Egypt.
"Throughout his travels in the Levant and the Orient, Blount took notes on what he observed. His was a form of "strategic travelling," taking both travel and travel writing to a new level of sophistication. His mission was also designed to bring commercial and other benefits to Britain, helping to "stimulate the market for coffee," for example. By the time Blount wrote his Voyage the secular approach of the new scientific age, of which he was a product, had led to the realisation that "nations and the institutions that attend them are as much historical products of geography, nature and climate as they are of religious belief."" http://weekly.ahram.org.eg/2005/7…
A Voyage into the Levant went through 8 editions by 1671. The Pepysian Library has the edition of 1637. Here is the 1st ed. of 1626: http://books.google.com/books?id=…