"...Shipp..." be a pub or “tavern” methinks (rhymes with…)
There be two in the Background info now that are so-named, but I donno Greenwich well enough to know whether either or them be this: http://www.pepysdiary.com/backgro…
L&M note: "The Jemmy (25 tons); for her race again the Dutch yacht [Bezan] see [September 5]. She was built by Commissioner Pett. The Royal Society [of "virtuosos"] appears to have had no part in this enterprise."
Yes, David A. Smith, a change of perspective in less than a week, perhaps as reality changes too (I’m thinking Sam’s candor doesn’t mean he always sees what is there, which can also be true of us). Cp. last Thursday when he was able to assign a ship to Cooper: “one good effect of my being constant at the office, that nothing passes without me; and I have the choice of my own time to propose anything I would have.” http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
Spoken like a college registrar: IF HE is there, HE gets to decide what to assign to whoever shows up.
Today he SEES and APPRECIATES that he is sought out even when others are there. As Robert Gertz said of yesterday’s entry, “Our boy is now ‘the man to see’...and Sam comes to that view just today….
(I hope I’m being clear: often we come to understand the significance of events only afterwards, sometimes LONG afterwards ….)
"I did what I could to keep myself unconcerned in it, having some things of my own to do before I would appear high in anything." -- 12 June again.
This concered a difference that got angry between "Sir G. Carteret and Mr. Coventry, about...whether Sir George is to pay the Victualler his money, or the Exchequer" -- which is what Cumgranissalis' annotation was about (sorry about the miscue above).
Even before Mr. Coventry’s recent lessons, Sam showed a sense of time and “place” — a virtue of the sort on which the sagacious Robert Gertz remarks.
L&M refer to Thursday 12 June 1662: "I did get a vote signed by all, concerning my issuing of warrants, which they did not smell the use I intend to make of it; but it is to plead for my clerks to have their right of giving out all warrants, at which I am not a little pleased." http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1… and see Cumgranissalis' annotation: http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
"Cheap" - Surprise derivation: should have gone first to what sits beside me (sic) and is at Bartleby: The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
“ETYMOLOGY — From Middle English (god) chep, (good) price, purchase, bargain, from Old English cap, trade, from Latin caup, shopkeeper”
A. Hamilton, preaching wasn't the issue for Nonconformists, as far as I can tell, except at the margins: Conformism required, albeit for perceived reasons of state, as I suggested, "The forming or shaping of a material by forcing it through a small opening." I.a. the BCP was either the small opening or its symbol; and I gather it required acts of fealty to the King, which Presbyterians, i.a., found offensive.
Perhaps Australian Susan can clarify this further.
Today's events are the culmination of a process that began a year ago with the Savoy Conference that Sam feared could go to "the Presbytery" and the King and City divided (good posts by Pedro and JWB): http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1… Dr. Bates played a leading role at the Savoy Conference: http://www.newblehome.co.uk/bates… (to read the text, click on the page and then CTRL-A).
"such a gentlemanly term "Resigned--for what happened to 'Nearly 2000 clergy….' A very acute observation, Cumgranissalis, a euphemism indeed for what was done to all clergy.
I think much more candid is the term L&M use, sc. “extrude”: “The forming or shaping of a material by forcing it through a small opening.” http://www.yourwebassistant.net/g…
My preference for the Tolerance to come is showing.
"I to my closet in my office to perfect my Journall and to read my solemn vows, and so to bed."
Normal routine on Sunday night?: journall, oaths, so to bed.
Cp. Sunday 20 July 1662: "At night to my office, and there put down this day's passages in my journall, and read my oaths, as I am obliged every Lord's day….So to bed.” http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
I pondered whether he reads his oaths aloud, as was the norm in courts where judges lower than the Almighty were visible, it occurs to me that oaths were sealed by invoking aloud the aid of God in keeping them; so perhaps he does read them so, and esp. today, ‘in his closet in his office.’
The “objective” meaning of “interest” to which language hat provides a link — esp. "influence due to personal connexion; power of influencing the action of others; personal influence with a person or body of persons" remains in use until after the turn of the 19th century: BRIEF MEMOIR OF THE REV. W. BATES, D. D. By Rev. W.Farmer […] “It was another amiable trait in his character, that the interest he had with persons in elevated situations in life, was employed more in the behalf of others than in his own. When Dr. Tillotson was Archbishop he used his interest with him in procuring a pardon for Dr. N. Crew, Bishop of Durham, who for his conduct in the ecclesiastical commission, had been excepted out of the act of indemnity, which passed in sixteen hundred and ninety.” […] Leeds, May 3d, 1815. W. F. http://www.newblehome.co.uk/bates…
"Herring [John](d. ?1672). Presbyterian Vicar of St Bride. Fleet Street c. 1656-62. Extruded for non-conformity. Possibly a minister in Coventry c. 1648-50."
"Pegg Kite's business of her portion,…but I will have nothing to do with it.”
L&M note: "Peg Kite…had inherited most of her mother’s estate under a will of which Thomas Penner and Pepys were joint executors. Pepys, however, seems to have resigned the charge.” See vicente who also ref. Pauline http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1… and http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
Dr. Bates --William Bates was Rector of St. Dunstan’s and a great Presbyterian preacher; he was ejected from his living by the Act of Uniformity a fortnight later. [ He had a ] calm and equable style of preaching….
Mr. Gouge --Thomas Gouge was a leading Presbyterian. [ Vicar of St Sepulchre-without-Newgate from 1638 until his extrusion in 1662 ]* The newly revised Prayer Book was now enforced on all the clergy, who had to accept it by St. Bartholomew’s Day, 24 August. Gouge was extruded on his refusal. [A reluctant Dissenter, he devoted himself after his extrusion to charitable works in London and evangelism in Wales, distributing Welsh versions not only of the Bible but of the Anglican prayer-book ] * (*L&M Companion, 159.)
Mr. Herring --Relations between John Herring, Vicar of St. Bride’s since ca. 1656, and his churchwardens and vestry had been uneasy for some time, and this may have caused him to relinquish the living earlier than the last day allowed by law. The church was also served by a lecturer.
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First Reading
About Wednesday 13 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
Pleasure boats.
Tony Eldridge, check here for general info about "yachts" (including the "Jamie/Jemmy"): http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclo…
(the helpful notes by vincent/cumgrannissalis are rather obscurely hid)
About Wednesday 13 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"...Shipp..." be a pub or “tavern” methinks (rhymes with…)
There be two in the Background info now that are so-named, but I donno Greenwich well enough to know whether either or them be this: http://www.pepysdiary.com/backgro…
About Wednesday 13 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"how it will prove we shall soon see."
L&M note: "The Jemmy (25 tons); for her race again the Dutch yacht [Bezan] see [September 5]. She was built by Commissioner Pett. The Royal Society [of "virtuosos"] appears to have had no part in this enterprise."
About Tuesday 12 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"I find all people beginning to come to me"
Yes, David A. Smith, a change of perspective in less than a week, perhaps as reality changes too (I’m thinking Sam’s candor doesn’t mean he always sees what is there, which can also be true of us). Cp. last Thursday when he was able to assign a ship to Cooper: “one good effect of my being constant at the office, that nothing passes without me; and I have the choice of my own time to propose anything I would have.” http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
Spoken like a college registrar: IF HE is there, HE gets to decide what to assign to whoever shows up.
Today he SEES and APPRECIATES that he is sought out even when others are there. As Robert Gertz said of yesterday’s entry, “Our boy is now ‘the man to see’...and Sam comes to that view just today….
(I hope I’m being clear: often we come to understand the significance of events only afterwards, sometimes LONG afterwards ….)
About Tuesday 12 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"I did what I could to keep myself unconcerned in it, having some things of my own to do before I would appear high in anything." -- 12 June again.
This concered a difference that got angry between "Sir G. Carteret and Mr. Coventry, about...whether Sir George is to pay the Victualler his money, or the Exchequer" -- which is what Cumgranissalis' annotation was about (sorry about the miscue above).
Even before Mr. Coventry’s recent lessons, Sam showed a sense of time and “place” — a virtue of the sort on which the sagacious Robert Gertz remarks.
About Tuesday 12 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"I will stand upon my privilege."
L&M refer to Thursday 12 June 1662: "I did get a vote signed by all, concerning my issuing of warrants, which they did not smell the use I intend to make of it; but it is to plead for my clerks to have their right of giving out all warrants, at which I am not a little pleased." http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
and see Cumgranissalis' annotation:
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
About Monday 11 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"Cheap" - Surprise derivation: should have gone first to what sits beside me (sic) and is at Bartleby: The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language: Fourth Edition. 2000.
“ETYMOLOGY — From Middle English (god) chep, (good) price, purchase, bargain, from Old English cap, trade, from Latin caup, shopkeeper”
http://www.bartleby.com/61/27/C02…
Oy, Cumgranissalis, more counterintuitive than I would have supposed ever; and winds up your bailiwick (sort of).
About Monday 11 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
Ah, Cumgranissalis, some things be counterintuitive evidently:
Google brings tidings from Anglo-Ssxon resources at Florida State and Fordham Universities:
Glossary -- Sermo Lupi
ceap
m cattle, value, property
http://english3.fsu.edu/~wulfstan…
Medieval Sourcebook:
The Anglo-Saxon Dooms, 560-975
ceapgeld = market price, purchase price
http://www.fordham.edu/halsall/so…
Oh, well...(or not)...
About Monday 11 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
Dean Fuller's niece "that sings so well"
How long has it been since we heard about music?! or since Sam sung [pun unintended]. played his Lyre viol or theorbo, took lessons?
Is this the consequence of the vows he broke today ("but drank but one glass of wine") to be sociable to Dean Fuller and keep his priorities in order?
(Mary House and JWB, thanks to you I am learning several new things today! I expect some others are too.)
About Monday 11 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
Thank you, Don McCahill! The Background info deserves that too.
About Monday 11 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
language hat, wikipedia sez "Cheapside is a common English street name, meaning 'market-place'. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chea…
Pray tell, if that is the case, how does it come to that?!
About Sunday 10 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
A. Hamilton, preaching wasn't the issue for Nonconformists, as far as I can tell, except at the margins: Conformism required, albeit for perceived reasons of state, as I suggested, "The forming or shaping of a material by forcing it through a small opening." I.a. the BCP was either the small opening or its symbol; and I gather it required acts of fealty to the King, which Presbyterians, i.a., found offensive.
Perhaps Australian Susan can clarify this further.
About Sunday 10 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
Purging the non-conformist Presbyterian clergy
Today's events are the culmination of a process that began a year ago with the Savoy Conference that Sam feared could go to "the Presbytery" and the King and City divided (good posts by Pedro and JWB):
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
Dr. Bates played a leading role at the Savoy Conference: http://www.newblehome.co.uk/bates…
(to read the text, click on the page and then CTRL-A).
About Sunday 10 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"such a gentlemanly term "Resigned--for what happened to 'Nearly 2000 clergy….' A very acute observation, Cumgranissalis, a euphemism indeed for what was done to all clergy.
I think much more candid is the term L&M use, sc. “extrude”: “The forming or shaping of a material by forcing it through a small opening.” http://www.yourwebassistant.net/g…
My preference for the Tolerance to come is showing.
About Sunday 10 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"I to my closet in my office to perfect my Journall and to read my solemn vows, and so to bed."
Normal routine on Sunday night?: journall, oaths, so to bed.
Cp. Sunday 20 July 1662: "At night to my office, and there put down this day's passages in my journall, and read my oaths, as I am obliged every Lord's day….So to bed.” http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
I pondered whether he reads his oaths aloud, as was the norm in courts where judges lower than the Almighty were visible, it occurs to me that oaths were sealed by invoking aloud the aid of God in keeping them; so perhaps he does read them so, and esp. today, ‘in his closet in his office.’
About Saturday 9 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"my interest in him"
The “objective” meaning of “interest” to which language hat provides a link — esp. "influence due to personal connexion; power of influencing the action of others; personal influence with a person or body of persons" remains in use until after the turn of the 19th century:
BRIEF MEMOIR OF THE REV. W. BATES, D. D.
By Rev. W.Farmer
[…]
“It was another amiable trait in his character, that the interest he had with persons in elevated situations in life, was employed more in the behalf of others than in his own. When Dr. Tillotson was Archbishop he used his interest with him in procuring a pardon for Dr. N. Crew, Bishop of Durham, who for his conduct in the ecclesiastical commission, had been excepted out of the act of indemnity, which passed in sixteen hundred and ninety.”
[…]
Leeds, May 3d, 1815.
W. F.
http://www.newblehome.co.uk/bates…
About John Herring
Terry F. • Link
"Herring [John](d. ?1672). Presbyterian Vicar of St Bride. Fleet Street c. 1656-62. Extruded for non-conformity. Possibly a minister in Coventry c. 1648-50."
About Thomas Gouge
Terry F. • Link
About Sunday 10 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"Pegg Kite's business of her portion,…but I will have nothing to do with it.”
L&M note: "Peg Kite…had inherited most of her mother’s estate under a will of which Thomas Penner and Pepys were joint executors. Pepys, however, seems to have resigned the charge.”
See vicente who also ref. Pauline http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1… and http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
About Sunday 10 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
L&M notes about clergy discussed this day:
Dr. Bates
--William Bates was Rector of St. Dunstan’s and a great Presbyterian preacher; he was ejected from his living by the Act of Uniformity a fortnight later. [ He had a ] calm and equable style of preaching….
Mr. Gouge
--Thomas Gouge was a leading Presbyterian. [ Vicar of St Sepulchre-without-Newgate from 1638 until his extrusion in 1662 ]* The newly revised Prayer Book was now enforced on all the clergy, who had to accept it by St. Bartholomew’s Day, 24 August. Gouge was extruded on his refusal. [A reluctant Dissenter, he devoted himself after his extrusion to charitable works in London and evangelism in Wales, distributing Welsh versions not only of the Bible but of the Anglican prayer-book ] * (*L&M Companion, 159.)
Mr. Herring
--Relations between John Herring, Vicar of St. Bride’s since ca. 1656, and his churchwardens and vestry had been uneasy for some time, and this may have caused him to relinquish the living earlier than the last day allowed by law. The church was also served by a lecturer.
Carpenter
http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclo…
Mr. Calamy
--Edward Calamy, sen., a leading Presbyterian, Rector of St. Mary Aldermanbury. He Preached his farewell sermon on the 17th [ August ]….”