Sunday 4 August 1661

(Lord’s day). Got up, and by and by walked into the orchard with my cozen Roger, and there plucked some fruit, and then discoursed at large about the business I came for, that is, about my uncle’s will, in which he did give me good satisfaction, but tells me I shall meet with a great deal of trouble in it. However, in all things he told me what I am to expect and what to do.

To church, and had a good plain sermon, and my uncle Talbot went with us and at our coming in the country-people all rose with so much reverence; and when the parson begins, he begins “Right worshipfull and dearly beloved” to us.

Home to dinner, which was very good, and then to church again, and so home and to walk up and down and so to supper, and after supper to talk about publique matters, wherein Roger Pepys — (who I find a very sober man, and one whom I do now honour more than ever before for this discourse sake only) told me how basely things have been carried in Parliament by the young men, that did labour to oppose all things that were moved by serious men. That they are the most prophane swearing fellows that ever he heard in his life, which makes him think that they will spoil all, and bring things into a warr again if they can.

So to bed.


21 Annotations

First Reading

Pedro.  •  Link

"Roger Pepys--who I find a very sober man."

Well not "very" sober, in one sense, say the locals at the Rhenish wine-house in Cambridge, where their MP has been known to have a jar or two.

dirk  •  Link

"warr"

Interesting to see this spelled with two r's. Chaucer's "werre" is not that far back yet...

A. De Araujo  •  Link

"and by and by walked into the orchard with my cozen Roger and there plucked some fruit" the details make his diary so fascinating!...

daniel  •  Link

"warr"

indeed! in this age before keyboards one sees a surprising amount of carpal-tunnel inducing spellings like itt, mee and runn.

naturally, this being English there is no logic i.e. today's call and worry.

Robert Gertz  •  Link

Warr, indeed...Where are these young hot-heads when Tony Blair needs them?

vicente  •  Link

rr for rrolling the rr's as they doth do further north. Note: some spelling as sound not as taught. Only now do we need a unified spelling, so that one may go[o]gle. For us that forget how [to, too] two add and make it fore [ for, four].

vicente  •  Link

Uncle Talbot[1583-1666] was how many removed [great 1/2 uncle]?:
William of Cottenham had a son John, who had two wives, the first begot Thom: the b & Thom: the Red [dispute who Sams grandad be] and the Irish Lord Chief Justice of Ireland, essex branch]and others; the second wife begot Edwards Montagu's mother and Talbot of Impington, so making Sandwich the True nephew , Roger, son of Talbot in turn was famous for his four wives. Lifted from the unequaled self Claire Tomalin [xii]

Wulf Losee  •  Link

Re: spelling. Since most of Pepys' diary was written in shorthand, I'm curious as to why the archaic spellings show up in the text. Is this perhaps the eccentricity of the Rev Mynors Bright who transcribed the diary in 1893?

--Wulf

Michael L  •  Link

Regarding spelling and the shorthand: I think the reason you see things like "warr" is because the shorthand was such that it preserved the consonants, but not the vowels. In other words, Pepys has it with 2 R's in the diary, so it is "translated" into a word with 2 R's.

Jackie  •  Link

The Puritan in Sam hasn't gone away yet, has it? He still has a preference for plain sermons and the Commonwealth ideals of behaviour, even as he's turning himself into a fashionable man whose career is dependent upon the restored Monarchy.

Ann  •  Link

"and at our coming in the country-people all rose with so much reverence; and when the parson begins, he begins "Right worshipfull and dearly beloved" to us.” That’s our Sam — still full of child-like awe at his rising status!

vicente  •  Link

"people all rose with so much reverence" Oh how one doth luv the dofing of the titfer. It gets one every time. Recognition by ones lessers is warming but when done by the betters, then thee can really bathe in light.
Of course this follows
Numquam autem recte faciet, qui cito credit, utique homo negoians.
Petrionius, Satyicon, 43
http://www.archeologhia.com/fonti…
My limited take if ye believe the gesture , heaven help you..

Second Reading

Bill  •  Link

"he begins “Right worshipfull and dearly beloved” to us"

Sometimes a bilingual dictionary is useful to explicate stock phrases. SP is quite pleased to be considered part of "la petite Noblesse."

Worshipful, right worshipful, honorable. C'est une Epithete d'honneur qui avoit autrefois la vogue parmi la petite Noblesse, quand on la traitoit de Worship.
---A short dictionary English and French. G. Miège, 1684.

Sasha Clarkson  •  Link

The parson knew his job under the new regime: "God bless the Squire and his relations, and keep us all in our proper stations."

Chris Squire UK  •  Link

OED has:

‘worshipful, adj. (n. and adv.) . .
3. a. As an honorific title for persons or bodies of distinguished rank or importance: formerly used very widely, but now restricted to the livery companies and freemasons' lodges and their masters. right worshipful is applied to mayors.
. . 1605 W. Camden Remaines Ded. sig. A 3, To the Right Worshipfvll, Worthy, and Learned Sir Robert Cotton.
. . 1641 W. S. in More's Hist. Edward V (new ed.) Ep. Ded. sig. A2, To the Right Worshipfull Sir John Lenthall Knight.
1720 A. Petrie Rules Good Deportm. (1877) 79 The Manner of directing of your Letters... To the Right Worshipful Lady M.S... To the Worshipful Lady A.S . . ‘

Terry Foreman  •  Link

"To church, and had a good plain sermon, and my uncle Talbot went with us"

L&M note Talbot Pepys, lord of the manor, was Pepys's great-uncle. The church (St Andrews) lay a short distance to the north of the house. The parson was probably T. Bradshaw, who served the cure for the non-resident Vicar, Thomas Wilborogh.

Terry Foreman  •  Link

"Roger Pepys — (who I find a very sober man, and one whom I do now honour more than ever before for this discourse sake only) told me how basely things have been carried in Parliament by the young men, that did labour to oppose all things that were moved by serious men. "

The first session of the new parliament, ending on 30th July, had seen many victories for cavalier (for 'young men's') interests over that of the Presbyterians, or 'serious men'. Robert, son of Talbot Pepys, was M.P, for Cambridge borough. (L&M note)

Third Reading

San Diego Sarah  •  Link

From Sandwich's log, off Algiers:

August 4. Sunday. Wind eastwardly.

Copied from
The Journal of Edward Mountagu,
First Earl of Sandwich
Admiral and General-at-Sea 1659 - 1665

Edited by RC Anderson
Printed for the Navy Records Society
MDCCCCXXIX

Section III - Mediterranean 1661/62

Plan B  •  Link

Interesting that Sandwich uses the term "eastwardly". Today we would say "easterly" for an east wind (coming from the east), whereas going "eastward" is going towards the east

San Diego Sarah  •  Link

28. Giovanni Battista Ballarino. Venetian Grand Chancellor at the Porte, to the Doge and Senate. (Where is Porte? - The letter is signed "Pera of Constantinople, the 4th August, 1661", so it is probably close to that city.)

The English ambassador, though far away because of the plague, and most distracted at the loss of his daughter. (fn. 1) sent to inform me of the marriage arranged between his king [CHARLES II] and the Infanta of Portugal.

FOOTNOTE 1. Lady Mary Finch, his third daughter, had died of the plague. Hist. MSS. Comm. Finch Papers, Vol. i., page 139.
The English ambassador to Constantinople was Heneage Finch, 2nd Earl of Winchilsea https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…

I sent Padavin to the villa at Belgrade where his Excellency is staying, with congratulations. He returned thanks and went on to speak as follows:

'I have a two-fold reason for feeling gratified at this happy event because the transactions all took place from the beginning by my hands, just as that of the liberty and restitution to the royal possession of his throne was also transacted by me. so I ought to thank God that I have put the crown on his head and the bride in his bed.
'My wife is related in blood to his Majesty. (fn. 2) and this places me under a double obligation to procure every good for my country and the one who now rules it with felicity.

FOOTNOTE 2. Winchilsea's wife was Mary, daughter of William Seymour, 2nd Duke of Somerset, directly descended from Mary Tudor, younger daughter of Henry VII, who married the Duke of Suffolk.

'As a further confirmation of my satisfaction I learn also that a defensive and offensive alliance has been established between his Majesty, Sweden and Denmark. I see everything taking the right direction, with solid hopes of very great progress.
'Because of this I have decided to send my steward (fn. 3) to London with despatches and many negotiations and particulars.

FOOTNOTE 3. Knevet. Finch Papers, Vol. i., page 140.

San Diego Sarah  •  Link

CONCLUSION:

'His Excellency expressed his desire to serve me.
'I [Padavin] spoke of the peril I [PRESUMABLY Giovanni Battista Ballarino. Venetian Grand Chancellor AKA Pera] might be in, here in the capital of an enemy, rather than as a minister. According to him the essential point is that his king, at the previous request of your Serenity, had given him a special commission that if any misfortune befell me or if I had need of his Excellency's assistance, he should act with vigour and sincerity, particularly for the conclusion of the peace, for although he would have done as much even without orders, yet he said it was of very great importance for a minister to operate freely, to be able to use the name of his king with absolute liberty.
'He did not conceal that he had written to his Majesty by the present despatch on this subject, which I see he has greatly at heart, whether it be from hope of advantage or reputation, or both.
'Padavin thanked his Excellency profusely, but without committing himself.'

I venture to think that a letter from the Senate would confirm him in his opinion of the appreciation of your Excellencies and of the value set by the most serene republic on his merits.

[Italian; deciphered.]

FROM
'Venice: August 1661', in Calendar of State Papers Relating To English Affairs in the Archives of Venice, Volume 33, 1661-1664, ed. Allen B Hinds( London, 1932), British History Online https://www.british-history.ac.uk…

And I venture to think Winchilsea somewhat exaggerated his involvement in Charles II's affairs.
I post this to show how England's fleet being in the Mediterranean, and Charles II's marriage to a Portuguese princess, was rocking all sorts of relationships. The Venetian envoy was in fear for his life from a "Moorish" backlash.

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