Monday 6 July 1663

Up pretty early and to my office all the morning, writing out a list of the King’s ships in my Navy collections with great pleasure. At noon Creed comes to me, who tells me how well he has sped with Sir G. Carteret after all our trouble, that he had his tallys up and all the kind words possible from him, which I believe is out of an apprehension what a fool he has made of himself hitherto in making so great a stop therein. But I find, and so my Lord Sandwich may, that Sir G. Carteret had a design to do him a disgrace, if he could possibly, otherwise he would never have carried the business so far after that manner, but would first have consulted my Lord and given him advice what to do therein for his own honour, which he thought endangered. Creed dined with me and then walked a while, and so away, and I to my office at my morning’s work till dark night, and so with good content home. To supper, a little musique, and then to bed.

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A. De Araujo  •  Link

"a little musique, and then to bed"
I must confess that Sam has inspired me with his love of music; I myself bought a recorder and now I can play: when the saints go marching in; twinkle twinkle little star and happy birthday to you.

TerryF  •  Link

"with great pleasure"

A characteristic phrase - one Pepys has used 25 times in the 3 1/2 years of his Journall = Diary, as often as not when he's learned something new or put something in order - a measure of the man.

Robert Gertz  •  Link

A plot, eh?...To bring disgrace upon my Lord Sandwich?

But is Sir George acting on his own, out of jealousy? Or are there others behind him seeking to smear the rep of the last prominent Cromwellian still popular among the people?

And now he's courting Creed, the man who knows where the bodies are buried...

Sam, I would tred very carefully.

TerryF  •  Link

"Creed...tells me how well he has sped with Sir G. Carteret"

sped >>

speed (v.)
O.E. spedan "to succeed, prosper, advance" (see speed (n.)). Meaning "to go fast" is attested from c.1300. Meaning "To send forth with quickness" is first recorded 1569; that of "to increase the work rate of" (usually with up) is from 1856. http://www.etymonline.com/index.p…

OED anyone?

in altae fossae  •  Link

OED partial ; this is a good one for LH. to be up to speed on:
speed noun 1. Abundance. Obs.
Also freq. in OE. ‘substance, means, wealth’.
1st entry ; a900... c1250 Gen. & Ex. 122 Of euerilc ou e mad moder of sped.
2. Power, might. Obs.
3. a. Success, prosperity, good fortune; profit, advancement, furtherance. Obs. exc. Sc. or arch.
c1510 MORE Picus Wks. 32 What seruice maie so desirable bee, As where all turneth to thyne owne spede.
1611 CHAPMAN Widdowes T. Wks. 1873 III. 8, I am assured of my speede
b. With adjs., as good, evil, etc.: Success, fortune, lot.
.1250 ...1651 WELDON Crt. Chas. 194 Another Parliament was summoned, wherein..there proved no better a good speed and successe than a mere frustration of all hopes on both hands.
Comb. a1616 BEAUM. & FL. Little Fr. Lawyer V. iii, They are men of a charitable vocation,..And put a good speed penny in my purse.
c. to come (good) speed, to be successful. So to come bad, or no, speed, to be more or less unsuccessful. Sc.
1638 A. CANT Serm. at Edinburgh (1699) 21 If I had hope to come speed with you.
4. a. Assistance, aid, help. Obs. 1340... 1500.
b. One who, or that which, promotes success or prosperity. Obs.
1596 SHAKES. 1 Hen. IV, III. i. 190 Good-manners be your speede.
1681 W. ROBERTSON Phraseol. Gen. (1693) 1158 Christ be our speed.
II. 5. a. Quickness in moving or making progress from one place to another, usually as the result of special exertion; celerity, swiftness; also, power or rate of progress.
In OE. only in the dat. plur. used adverbially. In ME. freq. in advb. phrases, as a good speed, or with preps. (cf. 8 and 9).
1596 SHAKES. Merch. V. III. iv. 56 Madam, I goe with all conuenient speed.
1667 MILTON P.L. II. 700 Back to thy punishment,..and to thy speed add wings.
b. Of things: Swiftness, rapidity, velocity, of direct or circular movement; rate of motion or revolution.
1619 in Eng. & Germ. (Camden) 156, I know not whether I should have beene diverted a second time from taking the speede of the river if [etc.].
6. a. Quickness, promptness, or dispatch in the performance of some action or operation. Freq. in the phrase with (all) speed.
For the proverbial contrast with haste, see HASTE n. 6.
c1614 SIR W. MURE Dido & Æneas I. 77 Let vs a navie then prepair with speid. 1663 S. PATRICK Parab. Pilgr. xii. (1687) 81 All that surprizes me is..that such feeble words as mine should..with such speed excite so high a degree of Love.
8. In various prepositional phrases: at his speed, a. good speed, speedily, quickly. Obs.
9. In advb. phrases (without article): a. good speed, speedily, quickly. Obs.
10. a. to make speed, to hurry, to make haste.
b. to have, or get, the speed of, to outdistance, get ahead of (one). Obs.
1646 FULLER Good Th. in Worse T. (1841) 106 The other had got the speed of him, having first accused himself,..and already obtained his pardon.
12. attrib. and Comb
d. With vbl. ns. and ppl. adjs., as speed-making, -mingling, -multiplying, producing.
Verb
[OE. spédan (once;, early ME. i-speden), = MDu. spoeden, spueden (Du. spoeden), OS. spôdian (MLG. and LG. spôden), OHG. spuoten (G. spuden, sputen, from LG.), f. the stem
otherwise d-: see SPEED n.]
I. 1. a. intr. Of persons: To succeed or prosper; to meet with success or good fortune; to attain one's purpose or desire. Now arch.
a1542 WYATT in Tottel's Misc. (Arb.) 53 Soonest he spedes, that most can lye and fayn.
1647 N. BACON Disc. Govt. Eng. I. iv. (1739) 9 [They] sent for aid where they were most like to speed for the present, and left the future to look to it self.
a1688 BUNYAN Israel's Hope Encour. Wks. 1855 I. 614 Wouldst thou be a man that would pray and prevail? Why, pray to God in the faith of the merits of Christ, and speed
b. Const. of: To succeed in getting, obtaining, or accomplishing. Obs.
1600 PORY tr. Leo's Africa I. 41 Their young men may goe a wooing to diuers maides, till such time as they haue sped of a wife.
1643 PRYNNE Sov. Power Parl. App. 26 But he sped little of his purpose.
2. a. With advs.: To succeed or fare well, ill, et
with how, however, as ,thus,
1649 MILTON Eikon. 15 In this Warr against the Church hee hath sped as other haughty Monarchs, whom God hath harden'd to the same enterprize

3. impers. To go or fare (well or ill) with a person, etcIn early use with dat. or to.
4. a. Of things: To prove successful; to thrive.
1626 W. YONGE Diary (Camden) 93 Arminianism and Pelagianism do much speed abroad, in divers parts of this realm.
. To be profitable, expedient, or useful. Chiefly impers. Obs
6. a. trans. To further or assist (a person); to cause to succeed or prosper. Also refl. Now arch. ....................................
c. Appointed or elected to (or as) something. rare.
. d. Prepared, equipped; skilled or versed in something. Obs

8. a. To promote or further (a matter); to bring to or towards a successful issue or termination; to accomplish or carry out.
b. spec. To promote, expedite, prosecute (a bill, plea, etc.), as a matter of official or legal business
.9 a To treat of, deal with (a matter). Obs
b. To bring to an end; to finish or dispatch.
c. To dispatch, destroy, kill (a person, etc.).
II. 10. a. trans. To send with speed or haste; to hurry (a person, etc.) out or away; also, to force to go.
1678 Spanish Hist. II. 15 Eight Ships commanded by our Admiral were speeded out from Cadis.

Stolzi  •  Link

"till dark night"

Wonder when that would have been, in London and on this day (July 18, I believe, by our calendar).

Here, much to the South of London, it's not dark until around nine p.m., I think.

TerryF  •  Link

Many thanks, Dirk and In the Deep Ditch

Dirk, surely that belongs in the Pepys Encyclopedia > Music
http://www.pepysdiary.com/backgro…

iAs > iAe (epistles writ on water [~message in a bottle]) > iaf - I find it hard to choose which sense be meet.

dirk  •  Link

Stolzi, the data for London, Monday 16 July 1663 (new style) = 6 July 1663 (old style)

Daylength: 16:10 hours
Begin of Civil Twilight: 03:16 hours
Sunrise Time: 04:00 hours
Sunset Time: 20:10 hours
End of Civil Twilight: 20:55 hours

Source:
http://www.sci.fi/~benefon/sol.ht…

dirk  •  Link

In the Deep Ditch

Terry, looking for a common denominator, I suggest "In Aquis Fluitat".

TerryF  •  Link

So, Dirk, no "stopping" flowing down the drain; no old pain -

Gravity will do it.

Australian Susan  •  Link

Hmm...Spending the entire working day merely writing out a list. Sounds like one of those modern office days when one reads one's email, plays a game of minesweeper or two and not much else because you are Hung Over: tired after yesterday's jollifications?

Bob T  •  Link

“a little musique…”

What it might have sounded like:

Music that is almost identical can still be heard in the Maritime Privinces of Canada, especially Nova Scotia.

Xjy  •  Link

"with great pleasure"
As Terry implies, something big happened today and lightened Sam's load. He spent the day smiling. No need to assuage his anxiety by keeping busy. And the list is part of the side of him that loves predictable routine with only small permutations. Sam's life a kaleidoscope - same beads in different arrangements.

language hat  •  Link

Thanks for the musical snippet!
What is it?

PHE  •  Link

Music
If you ever visit Brussels (where I currently live), visit the museum of musical instruments. It has instruments from many periods, including many from Pepys's sort of time. You get a set of headphones, and in front of each type of instrument, you get to hear music played from the same. It gives you a fantastic sense of the music the people played and heard in earlier centuries.
(Brussels is just an easy train ride from London!)

PHE  •  Link

More Brussels: And the main square - the Grand Place/Grote Market remains totally intact since being rebuilt in about 1680.

flatul  •  Link

Has anybody found this list of HMS ships that Sam did rit up?
"...writing out a list of the King’s ships in my Navy collections with great pleasure...."

Michael Robinson  •  Link

list of the King’s ships in my Navy collections

L&M note (IV p. 11 n.1, Jan 09 1663) "Untraced: first mentioned at 20 June 1662; ... Pepys had it bound and made many entries in it during the next few months, but he never appeared to mention it after 6 August 1663. Referred to variously as his 'Sea Manuscript', 'Navy Manuscript', 'Book Manuscript', 'Manuscript Book', 'Manuscript' and 'Navy Collections', it was a work of reference with eg., lists of ships, comparable to (and possibly replaced by) the book of 'Naval Precedents' he made in retirement after 1668 (PL 2867)."

Second Reading

Terry Foreman  •  Link

Musique

The Long Dance (Playford, 1651)
Jeremy Barlow, The Broadside Band
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C…

John Playford: Virgin Queen, Bobbing Joe from The English Dancing Master (1651) / Les Witches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U…

John Playford: Prince Rupert March and Masco from The English Dancing Master (1651)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q…

John Playford: Schottisch Tanz from The English Dancing Master (1651) / Les Witches
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r…

Les Witches - Nobody's Jig / Mr. Lane's Magott / Black and Grey
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2… Don Gato

John Playford: Paul's Steeple from The Division-Violin (1685) / Trio Sonnerie
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=v…

San Diego Sarah  •  Link

"... that he had his tallys up ..." -- in retail, you "tally up" at the close of business (i.e. count the cash in the drawer) to balance out at the end of the day. I find that easier to understand than the definition in the Pepys encyclopedia, even though it is quite possible Creed was walking around with a bunch of tally sticks in his pocket to aid his memory.

San Diego Sarah  •  Link

Thanks, Sam ... I needed a short evening, after the three marathons you've given us figuring out who all your colleagues were. My brain finally spritzed on three generations of Barbara Villiers!

Bill  •  Link

"who tells me how well he has sped with Sir G. Carteret after all our trouble"

sped/speed. There are also relevant annotations in the entry for 1 November 1662. http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…

Chris Squire UK  •  Link

re: ‘ . . he had his tallys up . . ’

A tally came in 2 bits - he had ‘tallies of pro’ from the Navy Office in settlement of his expense account; the other halves, ‘tallies of sol’, were sent to the tax collecting office that was to pay him in ready money. To get his money he had had to present his bit to that office which would pay him if and when they had the other bit and some cash. I take ‘up’ to mean that he’d been ‘paid in tallies’ in full - which was not the same as being paid in full in ready money as the first quote makes clear.

OED has:
‘tally, n.1 < Anglo-Latin . .
1. a. A stick or rod of wood, usually squared, marked on one side with transverse notches representing the amount of a debt or payment. The rod being cleft lengthwise across the notches, the debtor and creditor each retained one of the halves, the agreement or tallying of which constituted legal proof of the debt, etc.
. . 1776 A. Smith Inq. Wealth of Nations I. ii. ii. 385 In 1696 tallies had been at forty, and fifty, and sixty per cent. discount, and bank notes at twenty per cent.
1847 J. Francis Hist. Bank Eng. iv. 59 Tallies lay bundled up like Bath faggots in the hands of brokers, and stock-jobbers.
1848 J. J. S. Wharton Law Lexicon (at cited word), The use of tallies in the Exchequer was abolished by 23 Geo. III c. 82, and the old tallies were ordered to be destroyed by 4 & 5 Wm. IV c. 15.
1892 W. R. Anson Law & Custom of Constit. II. vii. ii. §1. 310 In 1834..orders were given to destroy the tallies. They were used as fuel in the stoves which warmed the Houses of Parliament; they overheated the flues, and burned down the Houses.’

So they did, bequeathing us the present unique ramshackle Palace of Westminster. http://www.parliament.uk/about/li…

‘ . . c. tally of pro (i.e. pro, for or in favour of some one), tally of sol (i.e. solutum, paid) . .
. . 1696 London Gaz. No. 3157/4 Lost..a Tally of Pro, dated the 18th of May 1695, in the Name of John Richards, Esq; for 300 l. struck on the Commissioners of His Majesty's Hereditary and Temporary Revenues of Excise.
. . 1843 Fourth Rep. Dep. Kpr. App. ii. 166 The Tally of Pro..operated as a modern cheque on a banker, being given forth in payment from the Exchequer, as a charge upon some public accountant, for him to pay the sum expressed thereon, out of the revenues in his hands . . ‘

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