Thursday 29 August 1667
Up, and Mr. Moore comes to me, and among other things tells me that my Lord Crew and his friends take it very ill of me that my Lord Sandwich’s sea-fee should be retrenched, and so reported from this Office, and I give them no notice of it. The thing, though I know to be false — at least, that nothing went from our office towards it — yet it troubled me, and therefore after the office rose I went and dined with my Lord Crew, and before dinner I did enter into that discourse, and laboured to satisfy him; but found, though he said little, yet that he was not yet satisfied; but after dinner did pray me to go and see how it was, whether true or no. Did tell me if I was not their friend, they could trust to nobody, and that he did not forget my service and love to my Lord, and adventures for him in dangerous times, and therefore would not willingly doubt me now; but yet asked my pardon if, upon this news, he did begin to fear it. This did mightily trouble me: so I away thence to White Hall, but could do nothing. So home, and there wrote all my letters, and then, in the evening, to White Hall again, and there met Sir Richard Browne, Clerk to the Committee for retrenchments, who assures me no one word was ever yet mentioned about my Lord’s salary. This pleased me, and I to Sir G. Carteret, who I find in the same doubt about it, and assured me he saw it in our original report, my Lord’s name with a discharge against it. This, though I know to be false, or that it must be a mistake in my clerk, I went back to Sir R. Browne and got a sight of their paper, and find how the mistake arose, by the ill copying of it out for the Council from our paper sent to the Duke of York, which I took away with me and shewed Sir G. Carteret, and thence to my Lord Crew, and the mistake ended very merrily, and to all our contents, particularly my own, and so home, and to the office, and then to my chamber late, and so to supper and to bed.
I find at Sir G. Carteret’s that they do mightily joy themselves in the hopes of my Lord Chancellor’s getting over this trouble; and I make them believe, and so, indeed, I do believe he will, that my Lord Chancellor is become popular by it. I find by all hands that the Court is at this day all to pieces, every man of a faction of one sort or other, so as it is to be feared what it will come to. But that, that pleases me is, I hear to-night that Mr. Bruncker is turned away yesterday by the Duke of York, for some bold words he was heard by Colonel Werden to say in the garden, the day the Chancellor was with the King — that he believed the King would be hectored out of everything. For this the Duke of York, who all say hath been very strong for his father-in-law at this trial, hath turned him away: and every body, I think, is glad of it; for he was a pestilent rogue, an atheist, that would have sold his King and country for 6d. almost, so covetous and wicked a rogue he is, by all men’s report. But one observed to me, that there never was the occasion of men’s holding their tongues at Court and everywhere else as there is at this day, for nobody knows which side will be uppermost.
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First Reading
Terry Foreman • Link
John Evelyn's Diary
29th August, 1667. We met at the Star-chamber about exchange and release of prisoners.
http://bit.ly/d482SJ
Terry Foreman • Link
doubt ~ can mean when (verb) suspect or (noun) suspicion
cum salis grano • Link
"...I went back to Sir R. Browne and got a sight of their paper, and find how the mistake arose, by the ill copying of it out for the Council from our paper sent to the Duke of York, which I took away with me and shewed..."
Copying by hand, by typewriter, by carbon, by xerox, by scan,and by word of mouth, one missed place mark can start a war.
cum salis grano • Link
"...should be retrenched..."
always get cash up front??????????
But dear, you no longer need that Mink , I have got what I want.
Going back on ones word, agreement or just stiffing one is not one of seven deadly sins. "Tis why Governments and honorable organisations practice it or have done it, no bishop has sent the miscreant to 'ell.
wiki 3 Historical and modern definitions of the deadly sins
* 3.1 Lust
o 3.1.1 Extravagance
* 3.2 Gluttony
* 3.3 Greed
* 3.4 Sloth
o 3.4.1 Acedia [laziness, indifference ]
o 3.4.2 Despair
* 3.5 Wrath
* 3.6 Envy
* 3.7 Pride
o 3.7.1 Vainglory
Nate • Link
Without lust H. sapiens would have died out long, long, ago. It's so useful it is conserved as common thread that connects most vertebrates.
People in dispair don't usually go that route willingly, see depression.
Robert Gertz • Link
So, obviously Sam's recent behavior, including such incidents as his refusal to hand over 100Ls to young Hinchingbrooke or make other loans to the family, failure to stay in communication with milord, and his generally independent attitude has been noted by the Montagus and Crews, to the extent they believe he would sacrifice dear Ed's interests to the greater good. Or at least to Charlie and co...
Probably best to get it straightened out...It can be a mistake to show disrespect to the Family.
"Lord Crew is...Displeased with you, Samuel." Creed notes.
"Quite displeased, sir." Howe echoes.
"But I've been working to straighten the matter out...It's just a clerical error, almost settled."
"Sadly...That 'clerical error' has had serious consequences for the Montagu family and therefore, tragic and irrevocable consequences, for you, Samuel."
"Deeply tragic, sir." Nowe nods.
"Oh, the Thames is not that deep, Howe." Creed notes.
cum salis grano • Link
Man very rarely is satisfied, always wants more, 'tis why we build tall caves, also why man walks, cannot carry enough in his mouth, needs both hands to grab and then get an animal to carry the burden of more.
A. De Araujo • Link
CSG,you are obviously refering to Homo habilis and Homo erectus,not to up to date Homo sapiens like you and I.
cum salis grano • Link
No correlation??
Remember, Neanderthal have significant correlation of genes with homo "saps" or be it "vice a versa"
[ http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nean… ]
It could be dependent on which switch is on.
Tis why I enjoy my 450 horses shanks pony was such a nag.
nix • Link
"the mistake arose, by the ill copying of it out for the Council from our paper sent to the Duke of York, . . . and the mistake ended very merrily" --
with a spirited round of Flog The Clerk
Second Reading
Terry Foreman • Link
"my Lord Crew and his friends take it very ill of me that my Lord Sandwich’s sea-fee should be retrenched"
L&M: As Vice-Admiral of the Kingdom, he received £1 a day for himself, and an allowance for servants. PRO, C 66/2962, no. 16.
Terry Foreman • Link
Mr. Henry Brouncker is, Pepys says, "a pestilent rogue, an atheist, that would have sold his king and country for 6d. almost".
No contemporary had a kind word for Brouncker, except Grammont who said (p.262) that he played a good game of chess. The same authority stated that 'he kept a little country-house...always well stocked with several working-girls'. He was impeached in April 1668 for his disastrous part in the Battle of Lowestoft. (L&M)
Terry Foreman • Link
" But that, that pleases me is, I hear to-night that Mr. Bruncker is turned away yesterday by the Duke of York"
L&M: Henry Brouncker (brother of Pepys's colleague, Lord Brouncker), one of the commissioners of the Duke's Household, and Groom of the Bedchamber to the Duke.
mountebank • Link
"that would have sold his King and country for 6d"
It's interesting to see the phrase "would have sold X for sixpence" being used by Sam. It's still occasionally used these days although is on the way out.
john • Link
"find how the mistake arose, by the ill copying of it out"
One wonders how often this happened.
San Diego Sarah • Link
"I hear to-night that Mr. Bruncker is turned away yesterday by the Duke of York, for some bold words ... — that he believed the King would be hectored out of everything."
hectoring == to behave in an arrogant or intimidating way : to play the bully : swagger. transitive verb. : to intimidate or harass by bluster or personal pressure football players being hectored by their coach.
Pepys has been saying that all sorts of people think there will be a Commonwealth soon.
Who would be the leader of that rebellion?
James, Duke of York? How does Charles II keep him side-lined?
The individuals now known as the CABAL? How does Charles employ them, and then wait for them to turn on each other since none individually is strong enough to take down the King.
But if they worked together ...
Being King isn't all that much fun, is it Charles?