jerry Atkinson on 20 Jun 2006: > apply yourself to him Can anyone help me with this phrase?
I read this passage:
Here Mr. Moore showed us the French manner, when a health is drunk, to bow to him that drunk to you, and then apply yourself to him, whose lady’s health is drunk, and then to the person that you drink to, which I never knew before; but it seems it is now the fashion.
Like so:
Mr. Moore showed us the French custom of toasting, which involves bowing to the person who toasted you, then to the person whose lady's health is being toasted, and finally to the person you're toasting. I didn't know this before, but it seems to be the fashion now.
Australian Susan on 17 Jun 2006 > "without any control" > Without a ballot?
I read this to mean that Sir W. Batten was elected as master without anyone contesting or challenging his election. i.e. there were no other candidates or objections to his appointment.
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Broken links on the Internet Archive:
Dirk's "Have a look at ... for the kind of accidents that might occur (19th c., and New Zealand, but I guess not much different in Sam's time)."
Bill's Magdalene College Libraries link now forwards to a different domain. For the sake of posterity, here is the new link: https://magdlibs.com/2014/10/10/p…
> By now we've all seen Downton Abbey... Downton Abbey is a fantastic programme, yet in some respects it is highly unrealistic. For example, the easy interaction and conversation between the upstairs world of the family and their peers and the downstairs world of the hired help. That just didn’t happen.
BBC 2 Series in which restaurant critic Giles Coren and writer and comedian Sue Perkins experience the food culture of years gone by.
This time the pair try the food of Restoration Britain in the 1660s, a time of fire and plague. They both don wigs, with Giles in tight breeches and Sue in wide skirts. They snack on coxcombs, eel pie and copious amounts of small beer.
> "while I went to the church expecting to see the young ladies of the school, Ashwell desiring me"
I read this as: while I attempted to visit the church to see the schoolgirls, as Ashwell had suggested…
> L&M note in part: "Henry Cromwell...cousin of the Protector, but a royalist, changed his surname...and adopted that of his early [16th c] ancestor, Richard Williams...."
According to the encyclopedia page, Henry Cromwell was the fourth son of Oliver Cromwell, not cousin. https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
An updated link to Sasha's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d… The video has auto-generated German subtitles, which can also be switched to English.
Updated (and additional) links for Alastair's trompe l'oeil:
> One of the best trompe l'oeil paintings (as Sam would say) I have ever seen in my life is in Chatsworth House in Derbyshire and is of a violin & bow hanging on a door.
"She [Elizabeth] now read it, and it was so piquant, and wrote in English, and most of it true, of the retiredness of her life, and how unpleasant it was;"
The fact that Elizabeth's letter was written in English is worthy of comment, makes one think that she could speak a second language, i.e. French.
> Having nothing now in my mind of trouble in the world, but quite the contrary, much joy, except only the ending of our difference with my uncle Thomas, and the getting of the bills well over for my building of my house here, which however are as small and less than any of the others.
Louise Hudson said: "I take that to mean less than any of the other bills he has to pay."
Another interpretation is that his concerns are minor compared to those of others. To reinforce this point, he then records that Sir W. Penn is "fallen very ill again".
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About Friday 19 June 1663
Ruslan • Link
jerry Atkinson on 20 Jun 2006:
> apply yourself to him
Can anyone help me with this phrase?
I read this passage:
Here Mr. Moore showed us the French manner, when a health is drunk, to bow to him that drunk to you, and then apply yourself to him, whose lady’s health is drunk, and then to the person that you drink to, which I never knew before; but it seems it is now the fashion.
Like so:
Mr. Moore showed us the French custom of toasting, which involves bowing to the person who toasted you, then to the person whose lady's health is being toasted, and finally to the person you're toasting. I didn't know this before, but it seems to be the fashion now.
About Monday 15 June 1663
Ruslan • Link
Australian Susan on 17 Jun 2006
> "without any control"
> Without a ballot?
I read this to mean that Sir W. Batten was elected as master without anyone contesting or challenging his election. i.e. there were no other candidates or objections to his appointment.
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Broken links on the Internet Archive:
Dirk's "Have a look at ... for the kind of accidents that might occur (19th c., and New Zealand, but I guess not much different in Sam's time)."
https://web.archive.org/web/20060…
And "On coaches & carriages:"
https://web.archive.org/web/20060…
About Sunday 14 June 1663
Ruslan • Link
Bill's Magdalene College Libraries link now forwards to a different domain.
For the sake of posterity, here is the new link: https://magdlibs.com/2014/10/10/p…
> By now we've all seen Downton Abbey...
Downton Abbey is a fantastic programme, yet in some respects it is highly unrealistic. For example, the easy interaction and conversation between the upstairs world of the family and their peers and the downstairs world of the hired help. That just didn’t happen.
See: https://britishheritage.com/art-c…
About Sunday 31 May 1663
Ruslan • Link
Sasha's link on the Internet Archive:
> An extreme case of (alleged) excessive punishment which came before the Mayor's court in 1695 is given in the link below:
https://web.archive.org/web/20150…
About Friday 15 May 1663
Ruslan • Link
"… where I found it almost night, and my wife and the dancing-master alone above, not dancing but talking."
L&M have:
"… not dancing but walking."
About Sunday 10 May 1663
Ruslan • Link
Broken link on the WayBack Machine.
Stolzi's: I picture something like the suits shown here. Search down for the 1660's and the words "petticoat breeches."
https://web.archive.org/web/20060…
About Saturday 9 May 1663
Ruslan • Link
Broken / updated links:
Dirk:
> With some imagination, one could see Sam with his "perriwigg" in the young man on the right.
https://web.archive.org/web/20050…
Andy's "Life's a Battle: Can Emma Gold triumph using Robert Greene's 33 strategies of war? "
https://www.independent.co.uk/voi…
Dirk:
> Sam and his wig -- picture
https://www.bbc.co.uk/history/bri…
About Sunday 12 April 1663
Ruslan • Link
For those that cannot be bothered to type in "Seething lane to Whitehall" on Google maps, here is a direct link.
https://www.google.com/maps/dir/W…
Google estimates that it would take 54 mins to walk.
About Saturday 4 April 1663
Ruslan • Link
The link that San Diego Sarah posted to "The Supersizers Go... Restoration" has been blocked.
Here's an updated link to the whole show (not just part 1)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z…
Description:
The Supersizers Go... Restoration
BBC 2 Series in which restaurant critic Giles Coren and writer and comedian Sue Perkins experience the food culture of years gone by.
This time the pair try the food of Restoration Britain in the 1660s, a time of fire and plague. They both don wigs, with Giles in tight breeches and Sue in wide skirts. They snack on coxcombs, eel pie and copious amounts of small beer.
About Thursday 23 July 1668
Ruslan • Link
New link to the full video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z…
About Sunday 22 March 1662/63
Ruslan • Link
> "while I went to the church expecting to see the young ladies of the school, Ashwell desiring me"
I read this as:
while I attempted to visit the church to see the schoolgirls, as Ashwell had suggested…
> L&M note in part: "Henry Cromwell...cousin of the Protector, but a royalist, changed his surname...and adopted that of his early [16th c] ancestor, Richard Williams...."
According to the encyclopedia page, Henry Cromwell was the fourth son of Oliver Cromwell, not cousin.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
About Wednesday 18 March 1662/63
Ruslan • Link
An updated link to Sasha's video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d…
The video has auto-generated German subtitles, which can also be switched to English.
About Friday 20 February 1662/63
Ruslan • Link
Here's a picture of the Gloriana if anyone is interested: https://www.glorianaqrb.org.uk/wp…
Same image on the Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20171…
About Monday 16 February 1662/63
Ruslan • Link
tld said: "I held my nose, I closed my eyes, I [post this link:]
http://www.mathematik.uni-ulm.de/…"
Here's tld's link on the Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20060…
It's the lyrics to Love Potion Number Nine.
About Thursday 12 February 1662/63
Ruslan • Link
"Englands Treasure by Forraign Trade. or The Ballance of our Forraign Trade is The Rule of our Treasure", by Thomas Mun of Lond., Merchant, 1664.
The original link is broken. Here it is on the Internet Archive: https://web.archive.org/web/20051…
About Monday 26 January 1662/63
Ruslan • Link
Updated (and additional) links for Alastair's trompe l'oeil:
> One of the best trompe l'oeil paintings (as Sam would say) I have ever seen in my life is in Chatsworth House in Derbyshire and is of a violin & bow hanging on a door.
Painting: https://www.gramophone.co.uk/feat…
Artist: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jan…
About Sunday 2 November 1662
Ruslan • Link
Having read a little further, there seems to be evidence in this entry: https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
"She [Elizabeth] now read it, and it was so piquant, and wrote in English, and most of it true, of the retiredness of her life, and how unpleasant it was;"
The fact that Elizabeth's letter was written in English is worthy of comment, makes one think that she could speak a second language, i.e. French.
About Saturday 3 January 1662/63
Ruslan • Link
> Having nothing now in my mind of trouble in the world, but quite the contrary, much joy, except only the ending of our difference with my uncle Thomas, and the getting of the bills well over for my building of my house here, which however are as small and less than any of the others.
Louise Hudson said: "I take that to mean less than any of the other bills he has to pay."
Another interpretation is that his concerns are minor compared to those of others. To reinforce this point, he then records that Sir W. Penn is "fallen very ill again".
About Friday 28 November 1662
Ruslan • Link
Broken links on the WayBack machine.
Australian Susan's mourning jewellery: https://web.archive.org/web/20051…
Terry F's death of Matthew Boulton (the medallic token): https://web.archive.org/web/20051…
About Thursday 27 November 1662
Ruslan • Link
Broken link on the WayBack Machine:
pjk's image of Hobson's Conduit: https://web.archive.org/web/20051…