Ironmongers' Hall On the north side of Fenchurch Street at 1171/2 (P.O. Directory). In Aldgate Ward, east of Fishmonger Alley. First mention : S. 141, 148. Site acquired 1457. Rebuilt 1587. The old Hall, an Elizabethan building on the present site, escaped the Fire and was used for service in 1673 by the parishioners of All Hallows, Staining (Povah, 308-10). The Turkey Company held their meetings here (Strype, ed. 1720, I. ii. 164). Scorched by the Fire 1666, but not burnt down. Hall rebuilt 1748-52 (ib. ed. 1755, I. 485). Archt., Thos. Holden.
Ironmongers' Hall, Fenchurch Street Drawn by Tho. H. Shepherd. Engraved by J. C. Armytage. Jones & Co. Temple of the Muses, Finsbury Square, (n.d. 1757?) London. http://www.londonancestor.com/vie…
Ironmongers' Hall
"The relationship between the Ironmongers' Company and the iron industry was greatly affected by the sudden concentration of the smelting and founding of iron in the Midlands and north of Britain, where there were abundant supplies of iron ore and coal, so that the activities of the Company in London were reduced to the administration of charities, participation in the affairs of the City, and its own domestic affairs. In 1457 the Company bought buildings in Fenchurch Street and converted them into a Hall, which was later enlarged. It was rebuilt in 1587 and escaped the Great Fire of 1666. A third Hall was built in 1745 on the same site. In the First World War, on 7th July 1917, during a raid by about twenty German aeroplanes, it was damaged by a bomb. After the war, the site was sold and the building demolished. The land in Shaftesbury Place, Aldersgate Street, on which the present Hall stands, was bought in 1922 and the Hall was opened on 17th June 1925." http://www.ironhall.co.uk/company…
"Against which, whenever it shall be, good God fit us all."
fit
1a. To be the proper size and shape for: These shoes fit me. b. To cause to be the proper size and shape: The tailor fitted the trousers by shortening them. c. To measure for proper size: She fitted me for a new jacket. 2. To be appropriate to; suit: music that fits your mood. 3. To be in conformity or agreement with: observations that fit the theory nicely. 4. To make suitable; adapt: fitted the shelves for large books. See synonyms at adapt. 5. To make ready; prepare: Specialized training fitted her for the job. 6. To equip; outfit: fit out a ship. 7. To provide a place or time for: You can't fit any more toys in the box. The doctor can fit you in today. 8. To insert or adjust so as to be properly in place: fit a handle on a door.
from L&M Companion Thomas Foley (1617-77), elder son of Richard Foley, who had founded a manufacturing dynasy in Worcestershire in the early part of the century, was said by the Puritan moralist Richard Baxter (also from Worcestershire) to have got £5000 p.a. by fair dealing. Thomas's grandchildren moved into a different world, his grandson Thomas becoming 1st Baron Foley in 1712, and two of his granddaughters marrying the politicians Robert and Edward Harley.
From L&M Companion Robert Foley (1625-76), younger son of Richard Foley, who had founded a manufacturing dynasy in Worcestershire in the early part of the century, was appointed ironmonger to the navy in July 1660; his son Robert succeeded him in the post at his death.
Concerning Pepys's use of "like to", the 17c and after.
My response to Stolzi was a play on how the standard usage of the phrase has evolved over time. The last phrase "(the verb > adverb migration)" was intended to call attention to the migration of the verbal "like to" in the 17c to the adverbial "likely to" by the 20th. The former is still used in some regional dialectal phrases, as Stolzi observed in an email to me; concerning which see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Like…
Pauline, Phil -- methinks there are arguments pro et con the link being fine as it is and L&M in error: Pro: Perhaps the cozen Thomas Pepys with the responsible and office-holding résumé behaves otherwise in public; being now in private with a kinsman he becomes himself; Con: The cozen Thomas Pepys called “The Executor” and said to be "wealthy" digs fervently for a ninepence like a throwback or a skinflint, for want of which was forced to cough up a shilling. (Of course, perhaps he's wealthy because he is a skinflint -- there have been those, or so I'm told.)
"I blame my choosing of relations”! counters Pepys -- who then chooses to get into a coach with another who elicits from him an oath later in the evening in the recounting of it to the Annotators and all the world on the web -- but not those whom God has given him.
Pauline, you make a persuasive case; on the other side is the Q.: would “The Executor” behave as we are told this cozen Thomas Pepys does, despite “The Executor's” probably Presbyteriam synpathies, given his otherwise responsible and office-holding résumé?
Before he marks himself with what seems to be a radical Nonconformist's oath, he insists on finding for his share of the carfare what is here called "a ninepence" which prompts L&M to notee says "Some ninepences were current at this time (Irish shillings of James I), but they were rare."
Nice point, Dirk; just as the preponderany colonial government in North America has issued a new 5¢ coin with an image of an 18th century President, Thomas Jefferson, that provides him an idealized, bolder ("more manly") nose and forehead than were his in life, according to contemporary portraits and testimony such as this.
"Audley...left a very great estate, and made a great many poor familys rich, not all to one."
The sense is plain, that Audley did not leave his estate all to one family, which would have made only them rich -- but Pepys's construction of the moral contrast of what might have been is striking, methinks, and gives some clue to his values...., unless it concerns Uncle Robert's Will.
"Sir R. Ford’s daughter is married to a fellow without friends’ consent"
L&M note: "This is probably the match between Rebecca Ford and John Oviat, merchant, of St Olave's; they were not married in the parish church. Parents' consent was not required by law until the Marriage Act of 1753. Oviat was a beneficiary under his mother-in-law's will of 1681, so that any estrangement which may have occurred was temporary."
"I hear to-day how old rich Audley is lately dead...the scrivener in Fleet Street, at whose house he lodged."
L&M note: "Hugh Audley, Scrivener, usurer, and the last of the Clerks of the Court of Wards, d. 15 Nov. 1662, 'infinitely rich': Richard Smyth, *Obituary*, p. 56. He is said to have been worth £400,000 at his death: see ‘The way to be rich, according to the practice of the great Audley’(1662). Pepys's schoolfellow was Thomas Davies, a grandson of Audley's sister, Elizabeth Peacock, and heir to the residuary estate, together with his younger brother Alexander Davies, through whom it later descended to the Grosvenor family.... The Scrivener of Fleet Street was John Ray (Rea), with whom Audley had lodged near Temple Bar since c.1654 and against whom he had brought an action in Chancery in 1661-2...."
The Changeling, by Thomas Middleton and William Rowley, was licensed for performance by the Lady Elizabeth's Servants at the Phoenix; it was granted by the Master of the Revels, Sir Henry Herbert, on May 7, 1622.
Comments
First Reading
About Tuesday 25 November 1662
Terry F • Link
Dirk, there's a JPG image of one on the last page you cited: http://www.hpmuseum.org/guntercl.…
but it doesn' read very clearly.
About Ironmongers' Hall
Terry F • Link
Ironmongers' Hall
On the north side of Fenchurch Street at 1171/2 (P.O. Directory). In Aldgate Ward, east of Fishmonger Alley.
First mention : S. 141, 148.
Site acquired 1457. Rebuilt 1587.
The old Hall, an Elizabethan building on the present site, escaped the Fire and was used for service in 1673 by the parishioners of All Hallows, Staining (Povah, 308-10).
The Turkey Company held their meetings here (Strype, ed. 1720, I. ii. 164).
Scorched by the Fire 1666, but not burnt down.
Hall rebuilt 1748-52 (ib. ed. 1755, I. 485). Archt., Thos. Holden.
From: 'Ironmongers' Hall', A Dictionary of London (1918). URL: http://www.british-history.ac.uk/…. Date accessed: 26 November 2005.
Ironmongers' Hall, Fenchurch Street
Drawn by Tho. H. Shepherd. Engraved by J. C. Armytage. Jones & Co. Temple of the Muses, Finsbury Square, (n.d. 1757?) London.
http://www.londonancestor.com/vie…
Ironmongers' Hall
"The relationship between the Ironmongers' Company and the iron industry was greatly affected by the sudden concentration of the smelting and founding of iron in the Midlands and north of Britain, where there were abundant supplies of iron ore and coal, so that the activities of the Company in London were reduced to the administration of charities, participation in the affairs of the City, and its own domestic affairs. In 1457 the Company bought buildings in Fenchurch Street and converted them into a Hall, which was later enlarged. It was rebuilt in 1587 and escaped the Great Fire of 1666. A third Hall was built in 1745 on the same site. In the First World War, on 7th July 1917, during a raid by about twenty German aeroplanes, it was damaged by a bomb. After the war, the site was sold and the building demolished. The land in Shaftesbury Place, Aldersgate Street, on which the present Hall stands, was bought in 1922 and the Hall was opened on 17th June 1925." http://www.ironhall.co.uk/company…
About Tuesday 25 November 1662
Terry F • Link
"Against which, whenever it shall be, good God fit us all."
fit
1a. To be the proper size and shape for: These shoes fit me. b. To cause to be the proper size and shape: The tailor fitted the trousers by shortening them. c. To measure for proper size: She fitted me for a new jacket. 2. To be appropriate to; suit: music that fits your mood. 3. To be in conformity or agreement with: observations that fit the theory nicely. 4. To make suitable; adapt: fitted the shelves for large books. See synonyms at adapt. 5. To make ready; prepare: Specialized training fitted her for the job. 6. To equip; outfit: fit out a ship. 7. To provide a place or time for: You can't fit any more toys in the box. The doctor can fit you in today. 8. To insert or adjust so as to be properly in place: fit a handle on a door.
Methinks 5. or perhaps 6. fit.
About Tuesday 25 November 1662
Terry F • Link
"Great talk among people how some of the Fanatiques do say that the end of the world is at hand, and that next Tuesday is to be the day."
L&M note: "This story has not been traced elsewhere."
Perhaps the Fanatiques were correct!
About Thomas Foley
Terry F • Link
from L&M Companion
Thomas Foley (1617-77), elder son of Richard Foley, who had founded a manufacturing dynasy in Worcestershire in the early part of the century, was said by the Puritan moralist Richard Baxter (also from Worcestershire) to have got £5000 p.a. by fair dealing. Thomas's grandchildren moved into a different world, his grandson Thomas becoming 1st Baron Foley in 1712, and two of his granddaughters marrying the politicians Robert and Edward Harley.
Brother of Robert Foley http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclo…
About Robert Foley
Terry F • Link
From L&M Companion
Robert Foley (1625-76), younger son of Richard Foley, who had founded a manufacturing dynasy in Worcestershire in the early part of the century, was appointed ironmonger to the navy in July 1660; his son Robert succeeded him in the post at his death.
Brother of Thomas Foley http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclo…
About Sunday 23 November 1662
Terry F • Link
Concerning Pepys's use of "like to", the 17c and after.
My response to Stolzi was a play on how the standard usage of the phrase has evolved over time. The last phrase "(the verb > adverb migration)" was intended to call attention to the migration of the verbal "like to" in the 17c to the adverbial "likely to" by the 20th. The former is still used in some regional dialectal phrases, as Stolzi observed in an email to me; concerning which see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Like…
One thing is clear, its meaning is [,] like [,] fluid: q.v. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Like
About Monday 24 November 1662
Terry F • Link
Pauline, Phil -- methinks there are arguments pro et con the link being fine as it is and L&M in error:
Pro: Perhaps the cozen Thomas Pepys with the responsible and office-holding résumé behaves otherwise in public; being now in private with a kinsman he becomes himself;
Con: The cozen Thomas Pepys called “The Executor” and said to be "wealthy" digs fervently for a ninepence like a throwback or a skinflint, for want of which was forced to cough up a shilling.
(Of course, perhaps he's wealthy because he is a skinflint -- there have been those, or so I'm told.)
About Monday 24 November 1662
Terry F • Link
"I blame my choosing of relations”! counters Pepys --
who then chooses to get into a coach with another who elicits from him an oath later in the evening in the recounting of it to the Annotators and all the world on the web -- but not those whom God has given him.
About Monday 24 November 1662
Terry F • Link
Pauline, you make a persuasive case; on the other side is the Q.: would “The Executor” behave as we are told this cozen Thomas Pepys does, despite “The Executor's” probably Presbyteriam synpathies, given his otherwise responsible and office-holding résumé?
About Currency units
Terry F • Link
“Some ninepences were current [in late 1662] (Irish shillings of James I), but they were rare.” L&M, iii.266.n.2
Here are images of the Irish shillings of James I, but they are denominated sixpences http://www.irishcoinage.com/JAMES…
About Monday 24 November 1662
Terry F • Link
A running theme today is Pepys's disappointment in his choice of relatives!
About Monday 24 November 1662
Terry F • Link
Pepys on Cozen Tom the Turner's eccentricities
Before he marks himself with what seems to be a radical Nonconformist's oath, he insists on finding for his share of the carfare what is here called "a ninepence" which prompts L&M to notee says "Some ninepences were current at this time (Irish shillings of James I), but they were rare."
Here are images of the Irish shillings of James I, but they are denominated sixpences http://www.irishcoinage.com/JAMES…
About Monday 24 November 1662
Terry F • Link
Phil, THIS "cozen, Thomas Pepy" should be linked to http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclo…
an L&M note says "Tom the turner, son of Pepys's contestant in the arbitration."
About Monday 24 November 1662
Terry F • Link
The authenticity of a portrait a coin established
Nice point, Dirk; just as the preponderany colonial government in North America has issued a new 5¢ coin with an image of an 18th century President, Thomas Jefferson, that provides him an idealized, bolder ("more manly") nose and forehead than were his in life, according to contemporary portraits and testimony such as this.
About Monday 24 November 1662
Terry F • Link
"the King and Duke are come this morning to the Tower to see the Dunkirk money!...[but] We saw none of the money"
L&M note: "Some of the money was now kept for safety at the Receipt of the Mint; the rest was pledged to goldsmiths...."
About Sunday 23 November 1662
Terry F • Link
"And poor Sir Wm Pen! Seems like he’s been in bed forever."
Monday 27 October 1662, Sam records "visited both Sir Williams, who are both sick, but like to be well again" http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
Aye, stolzi, a month abed; just a minute "sick" and I imagine I would "like to be well again"! (the verb > adverb migration)
About Sunday 23 November 1662
Terry F • Link
"Audley...left a very great estate, and made a great many poor familys rich, not all to one."
The sense is plain, that Audley did not leave his estate all to one family, which would have made only them rich -- but Pepys's construction of the moral contrast of what might have been is striking, methinks, and gives some clue to his values...., unless it concerns Uncle Robert's Will.
About Sunday 23 November 1662
Terry F • Link
"Sir R. Ford’s daughter is married to a fellow without friends’ consent"
L&M note: "This is probably the match between Rebecca Ford and John Oviat, merchant, of St Olave's; they were not married in the parish church. Parents' consent was not required by law until the Marriage Act of 1753. Oviat was a beneficiary under his mother-in-law's will of 1681, so that any estrangement which may have occurred was temporary."
"I hear to-day how old rich Audley is lately dead...the scrivener in Fleet Street, at whose house he lodged."
L&M note: "Hugh Audley, Scrivener, usurer, and the last of the Clerks of the Court of Wards, d. 15 Nov. 1662, 'infinitely rich': Richard Smyth, *Obituary*, p. 56. He is said to have been worth £400,000 at his death: see ‘The way to be rich, according to the practice of the great Audley’(1662). Pepys's schoolfellow was Thomas Davies, a grandson of Audley's sister, Elizabeth Peacock, and heir to the residuary estate, together with his younger brother Alexander Davies, through whom it later descended to the Grosvenor family.... The Scrivener of Fleet Street was John Ray (Rea), with whom Audley had lodged near Temple Bar since c.1654 and against whom he had brought an action in Chancery in 1661-2...."
About The Changeling (Thomas Middleton and William Rowley)
Terry F • Link
The Changeling, by Thomas Middleton and William Rowley, was licensed for performance by the Lady Elizabeth's Servants at the Phoenix; it was granted by the Master of the Revels, Sir Henry Herbert, on May 7, 1622.
The play with notes, Glossary and review: http://www.tech.org/~cleary/chang…