"doing business till past 9 at night, and so home and to bed."
Well, not quite -- the coda suggests that 2+ hours were spent "dealing" with Will's failure to "mind." The way this is writ suggests to me that Will must have been expressly instucted or under standing orders to check in with "Pops" Pepys 'pon his return from Deptford.
The prize for the nonce must go to Picard. D.Cressy on whom she relies seems to be an acclaimed authority and according to the review adduced by Dirk to have a healthy regard for the "muddy sloughs of despond" regarding the attempt for a "bright-line" test of literacy. Amanda Griscom, adduced first by me, then by Dirk, isn't adequately sourced.
Cumgrannissalis, since Liza Picard's ILliteracy rates take into account (sic) none of the professions of those who appear in the Diary today except Mrs. Hunt, is it inconceivable that her figures and Amanda Griscom's be not altogether irreconcilable? Did they cite common sources, and how were their sources' figures derived? (Here there be muddy sloughs of despond.)
"What is referred to as cantaloup in the U.S. is actuallymuskmelon (Cucumis melo, var. reticulatus). Truecantaloupes (var. cantaloupesis), common in Europe,lack the characteristic netted rind of the muskmelonand are not grown commercially in the United States.Cantaloup is thought to have originated in Persia andWest Africa and came to America with the colonists." http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/…
I assumed the story is told by Batten and recorded by Pepys because it is an exception — one of several related here. As a confirmation of this assumption I found this ASAP:
“At an absolute minimum, 30% of the male population in the countryside could read, while in London, male literacy rates were upwards of 80%.” *Print: The function of the new media in seventeenth-century England* by Amanda Griscom http://www.cyberartsweb.org/cpace…
A curse or no, Dirk, I cannot recall learning to do it: it has always been who I am.
Ruben, Great contribution! Hardly a digression, it's a constant of the atmospherics at Court in the background on any day (and in the foreground, e.g., three days ago with the Royal parade on the Thames).
(Didn't find "edit," so don't know what treasures you have provided there.)
rid. To free from something objectionable or undesirable. [Middle English rud{d}en, rid(d)en, from Old Norse rythja (past participle ruddr), from Germanic rudjan (unattested).] The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language.
Turns out the "donner kebab" is Turkish by origin.
"Döner kebap is filets of meat stacked on a vertical spit and roasted at a vertical grill.
“Döner means “turning:” the vertical spit is rotated, or turned, in front of the heat source (charcoal, gas or electric). When the meat directly opposite the heat source is properly roasted, the spit is rotated so that the cooked meat may be sliced off with a huge knife, and an uncooked portion of meat exposed to the fire.” http://www.turkeytravelplanner.co…
"Thirty absentees were dismissed on the following day" apparently at the [rope]yard at Woolwich; the status of the ships at Ham Creek is less clear, but evidently the security concerns prompted by 9/11 are a bit more than a fortnight away.
Of course, Sam has a different relation to Ham Creek now, where ships are berthed at moorings "rented from William Mason at £18 p.a.:." (L&M note), and he too has a different berth.
"calling in my way in Hamcreek, where I have never been before"
Well, not quite -- it seems Sam has forgotten the first time he was there:
"Thursday 17 January 1660/61 Up, and breakfast with my Lady. Then come Captains Cuttance and Blake to carry her in the barge on board; and so we went through Ham Creeke to the Soverayne (a goodly sight all the way to see the brave ships that lie here) first, which is a most noble ship. I never saw her before." http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
"mustered the yard" L&M note: "Pepys's notes are in PRO, SP 29/58, no. 76. Thirty absentees were dismissed on the following day."
"the business of my house only" L&M note: "The rebuilding of the roof...."
"my Lord Treasurer's letter.” L&M note: “In a letter of the 22nd the Lord Treasurer, enclosing a royal warrant of the day before, askinf for estimates of paying off ships, and an estimate of the state of stores:….”
No wonder Sam has been on the prowl and poking his nose into every nook and cranny (not to mention every crook and nanny).
"In the context of [Bacon's] time, such methods were connected with…alchemy."
The same was still true of Newton, whose “notes on alchemy were originally discovered after [his] death in 1727 but were lost after they were sold at auction in July 1936 for £15 (A$32). / They were found while researchers were cataloguing manuscripts at the Royal Society….[and were on display at the Royal Society’s annual Summer Science Exhibition in London which [began] on July 4 [2005].” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/84322…
Mr. Mills's sermons” Caution in Sermon , maybe he [Mills] be not wanting to give sermons on the Strand, income dothe dictate. As noted by the Essex Preacher , he at least had his farm and fresh meat, but the London Clerics relied on the Collection plate for sustenance and the good graces of His Loordship. “…the Bishop took care to supply every place…” It appears that 50% of the Clergy did go by Concience, note that Evelyn J. did say that there be troops on the street to stop the Hooligans and other discontents, People have had enough anarcy , would like to get on with making a living, there be prosperity for many especially for those that have the voice. Revolutions only take place when those that believe that should leading and are frustrated by El Supremo. People will moan but it takes a frustrated Baron type to lead a revolution.
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First Reading
About Wednesday 27 August 1662
Terry F, • Link
"doing business till past 9 at night, and so home and to bed."
Well, not quite -- the coda suggests that 2+ hours were spent "dealing" with Will's failure to "mind."
The way this is writ suggests to me that Will must have been expressly instucted or under standing orders to check in with "Pops" Pepys 'pon his return from Deptford.
About Wednesday 27 August 1662
Terry F, • Link
The literacy discussion
The prize for the nonce must go to Picard. D.Cressy on whom she relies seems to be an acclaimed authority and according to the review adduced by Dirk to have a healthy regard for the "muddy sloughs of despond" regarding the attempt for a "bright-line" test of literacy.
Amanda Griscom, adduced first by me, then by Dirk, isn't adequately sourced.
About Wednesday 27 August 1662
Terry F, • Link
Cumgrannissalis, since Liza Picard's ILliteracy rates take into account (sic) none of the professions of those who appear in the Diary today except Mrs. Hunt, is it inconceivable that her figures and Amanda Griscom's be not altogether irreconcilable? Did they cite common sources, and how were their sources' figures derived? (Here there be muddy sloughs of despond.)
About Wednesday 27 August 1662
Terry F, • Link
(Apologies to Cumgrannissalis, Mary, et al. for slowness here.)
About Wednesday 27 August 1662
Terry F, • Link
"Muske Millon" = Cucumis melo l. var. retuculata/cantalupensis
Musk melon/cantaloup melon with peel
http://www.fineli.fi/food.php?foo…
"What is referred to as cantaloup in the U.S. is actuallymuskmelon (Cucumis melo, var. reticulatus). Truecantaloupes (var. cantaloupesis), common in Europe,lack the characteristic netted rind of the muskmelonand are not grown commercially in the United States.Cantaloup is thought to have originated in Persia andWest Africa and came to America with the colonists." http://www.ers.usda.gov/Briefing/…
About Wednesday 27 August 1662
Terry F, • Link
"a barber that could not read"
I assumed the story is told by Batten and recorded by Pepys because it is an exception — one of several related here. As a confirmation of this assumption I found this ASAP:
“At an absolute minimum, 30% of the male population in the countryside could read, while in London, male literacy rates were upwards of 80%.”
*Print: The function of the new media in seventeenth-century England* by Amanda Griscom http://www.cyberartsweb.org/cpace…
A curse or no, Dirk, I cannot recall learning to do it: it has always been who I am.
I am presently 1/3 into *The History of Reading* by Alberto Manguel, which I recommend highly http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos…
About Wednesday 27 August 1662
Terry F, • Link
"the Mayor of Bristoll's reading a pass[age] with the bottom upwards”?
Nice trick!
About Tuesday 26 August 1662
Terry F, • Link
Ruben, Great contribution! Hardly a digression, it's a constant of the atmospherics at Court in the background on any day (and in the foreground, e.g., three days ago with the Royal parade on the Thames).
(Didn't find "edit," so don't know what treasures you have provided there.)
Thanks again.
About Tuesday 26 August 1662
Terry F, • Link
rid. To free from something objectionable or undesirable.
[Middle English rud{d}en, rid(d)en, from Old Norse rythja (past participle ruddr), from Germanic rudjan (unattested).]
The American Heritage Dictionary of the English Language.
About Tuesday 26 August 1662
Terry F, • Link
Thank you, language hat: good riddance to unclarity there.
(As previously remarked by someone, it takes heft to cite the OED; glad you have it and arrived just in time.)
About Tuesday 26 August 1662
Terry F, • Link
"staid till to o'clock at night paying off the Martin and Kinsale, being small but troublesome ships to pay”
L&M note: “Both were frigates, The former was paid from 24 June 1660 (c. £2143); the latter from 22 November 1660 (£883): PRO, Adm. 20/3 p. 329.
About Monday 25 August 1662
T, Foreman • Link
(Sorry, Martha R, I didn't catch your post in time.)
About Monday 25 August 1662
T, Foreman • Link
Turns out the "donner kebab" is Turkish by origin.
"Döner kebap is filets of meat stacked on a vertical spit and roasted at a vertical grill.
“Döner means “turning:” the vertical spit is rotated, or turned, in front of the heat source (charcoal, gas or electric). When the meat directly opposite the heat source is properly roasted, the spit is rotated so that the cooked meat may be sliced off with a huge knife, and an uncooked portion of meat exposed to the fire.” http://www.turkeytravelplanner.co…
About Monday 25 August 1662
T, Foreman • Link
"Thirty absentees were dismissed on the following day"
apparently at the [rope]yard at Woolwich; the status of the ships at Ham Creek is less clear, but evidently the security concerns prompted by 9/11 are a bit more than a fortnight away.
About Monday 25 August 1662
T, Foreman • Link
Pepys and Ham Creek: it's a matter of berths
Of course, Sam has a different relation to Ham Creek now, where ships are berthed at moorings "rented from William Mason at £18 p.a.:." (L&M note), and he too has a different berth.
About Monday 25 August 1662
T, Foreman • Link
"calling in my way in Hamcreek, where I have never been before"
Well, not quite -- it seems Sam has forgotten the first time he was there:
"Thursday 17 January 1660/61 Up, and breakfast with my Lady. Then come Captains Cuttance and Blake to carry her in the barge on board; and so we went through Ham Creeke to the Soverayne (a goodly sight all the way to see the brave ships that lie here) first, which is a most noble ship. I never saw her before." http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
About Ham Creek
T, Foreman • Link
In Aug 1762 ships were berthed here on property "rented from William Mason zt
About Monday 25 August 1662
T, Foreman • Link
"mustered the yard"
L&M note: "Pepys's notes are in PRO, SP 29/58, no. 76. Thirty absentees were dismissed on the following day."
"the business of my house only"
L&M note: "The rebuilding of the roof...."
"my Lord Treasurer's letter.”
L&M note: “In a letter of the 22nd the Lord Treasurer, enclosing a royal warrant of the day before, askinf for estimates of paying off ships, and an estimate of the state of stores:….”
No wonder Sam has been on the prowl and poking his nose into every nook and cranny (not to mention every crook and nanny).
About Friday 22 August 1662
T, Foreman • Link
"In the context of [Bacon's] time, such methods were connected with…alchemy."
The same was still true of Newton, whose “notes on alchemy were originally discovered after [his] death in 1727 but were lost after they were sold at auction in July 1936 for £15 (A$32). / They were found while researchers were cataloguing manuscripts at the Royal Society….[and were on display at the Royal Society’s annual Summer Science Exhibition in London which [began] on July 4 [2005].” http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/84322…
About Sunday 24 August 1662
T, Foreman • Link
Mr. Mills's sermons” Caution in Sermon , maybe he [Mills] be not wanting to give sermons on the Strand, income dothe dictate.
As noted by the Essex Preacher , he at least had his farm and fresh meat, but the London Clerics relied on the Collection plate for sustenance and the good graces of His Loordship.
“…the Bishop took care to supply every place…”
It appears that 50% of the Clergy did go by Concience, note that Evelyn J. did say that there be troops on the street to stop the Hooligans and other discontents, People have had enough anarcy , would like to get on with making a living, there be prosperity for many especially for those that have the voice. Revolutions only take place when those that believe that should leading and are frustrated by El Supremo. People will moan but it takes a frustrated Baron type to lead a revolution.