Since Pepys took his bachelor's degree in 1654, and Edlin entered in 1653, it is possible they knew each other, and certainly knew people in common. He must have been pleasant company because Pepys ate with him a lot.
On Friday 17 February 1659/60 there is an interesting discussion about the origins of the venerated English instrument house of W.E. Hill and Sons (in London from the 1800's to the l970's) which took great pride in this entry. However, the biography of Arthur Bultitude, one of W.E. Hill's bow makers, in tracing the genealogy of the Hill family, now disputes the claim. Nevertheless, people possessing Hill bows, instruments, or certificates will probably go right on quoting Pepys' mention with pleasure. https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
"Pepys may be discovering the value of not carrying a lot of cash but he's always "giving drafts". Wonder if he carries a tab?"
Yes, everyone carried a tab with their regular suppliers -- Pepys would have one at Will's for example. People settled their accounts once a quarter. The reason was that there were not enough coins to fill the demand, so you kept tallys (marks on sticks -- you've heard Pepys talk about them already) or a "bar tab". When you got paid by someone, you hurried over to one of your creditors and paid them, so what coins there were changed hands many times in one or two days.
Quarter Days fall near the solstices or equinoxes, and the days are associated with the beginning of a new season. They are: Lady Day (25th March), Midsummer (24th June), Michaelmas (29th September) and Christmas (25th December). They were the times when servants were hired, rents due, or leases begun.
Alternatively, when Pepys bought a book, he would haggle on the price, and then pay 50 per cent up-front earnest money, and then the final 50 per cent when the bound book was delivered. But his bookseller wasn't a regular supplier, so Pepys had to establish a credit relationship with him by making his payments on time and being a repeat customer. Which I am sure he did.
"Mrs. Pepys seems more aware of the nuances of social class: keeping a little dog was also associated with the leisured classes as is evident in the court painting of the time. The Pepys are certainly a couple on the up and up, ..."
Helena is jumping the gun here. I think Balty had a puppy to dispose of, and gave it to his sister. I suspect Elizabeth took the pup as they are a good way to handle stress. It makes noise, so it is a guard dog (lots of unemployed, hungry young men around). And if Pepys hates it, at worst it could be eaten.
Pepys didn't have the money for the rent last month, and is wondering how long he will have this job. No one was secure -- a revolt somewhere, followed by another civil war, could break out tomorrow. Those troops were owed 2 years of back pay.
SPOILER: The Pepys will go up the social ladder -- months from now, after the Restoration. There are a lot of delicate political moves to be made between now and then, and it could all easily go horribly wrong.
OH ... "The case concerned possession of a house in Westminster owned by Arthur Squibb (once Teller of the Exchequer) and occupied by William wan. William Beaver, Squibb's tenant, brought an action of trespass and ejection"
Arthur Squibb/William Beaver have repossessed the house and office PREMISES from Downing, not taken Downing's job.
I suspect there's going to be a lot more cases about who owns which house shortly!
One weekday in June every year there is a charming ceremony held in Seething Lane gardens, presided over by Samuel Pepys' statue, of course. This article gives a brief history of Seething Lane and the background to the ceremony. It's up to you to figure out when the ceremony will be held each year ... https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/…
I get that, StanB, and you and I might think/react that way. But Pepys didn't. And tempting as it is to rewrite the diary, we shouldn't. I suspect Pepys didn't panic because he knew Philip Harmen would have been locked in his house with a large red X on the door if his wife had had the plague.
The Josselin diary entries tell us that the country folk were well informed about the arrival and growth of the plague in London. That to me is the value of these entries, plus the weather report, of course. The news went quite quickly from London to the wilds of Essex.
StanB ... cramps were considered an illness, and put women to bed for days ... abscessed teeth were the 4th leading cause of death. While I agree that the plague would have had me heading off to my country estate now, I don't think their assumption would be that every ill person was infected.
It interests me how Pepys loves to gossip about Charles II's mistresses, but he works for James and either turns a blind eye to the shenanigans he walks through a few times a week, or decides not to report on the gossip he must hear.
In 1665, Sir Winston Churchill's eldest daughter, Arabella Churchill, became Maid of Honor to Anne Hyde, Duchess of York. Arabella was 17, and her brother, John Churchill, joined his sister as page to Anne's husband, James, Duke of York a few months later.
Arabella later became one of the Duke of York's mistresses.
John Churchill often accompanied the Duke of York inspecting the troops in the royal parks, and decided to pursue a military career. On September 14, 1667, soon after his 17th birthday, John Churchill obtained a commission as ensign in the King's Own Company in the 1st Guards, later to become the Grenadier Guards.
In 1668, Ensign John Churchill sailed for Tangier, and stayed here for three years, gaining first-class tactical training and field experience skirmishing with the Moors. Chandler says details of this period are sketchy, but he appears to have also served aboard ship in the naval blockade of the Barbary pirate-den of Algiers.
Incidentally, John Churchill also attended St. Paul's School in London (after his father was recalled as Junior Clerk Comptroller of the King's Household at Whitehall in 1663). Pepys visited the school in 1664 -- I wonder if they met: https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
Is there nothing between black and red for a suit, Pepys? Black is safe and appropriate ... and you did red last year, remember? It does sound as if you crave attention. Blue or green would be good ...
"... there was considerable confidence in Pepys and his team to oversee the logistics." Don't forget, Gen. Monck, Duke of Albemarle also was there, overseeing their performance. I think that was an excellent choice; if things failed, Monck was a Parliamentarian and expendable. If things succeeded, it was a credit to Charles II's decision to integrate the two sides into one fighting force. He was a cautious general, used to giving orders and thinking about great quantities of logistics.
My error: THE CONTROLLER is, of course, Vice Admiral Sir John Mennes (1599 – 18 February 1671). Pepys described him as "ill at ease" in this role, and as of January 1664 it appears Mennes may have been experiencing Parkinson's, lead or alcohol poisoning.
So it's TREASURER Carteret giving Pepys permission to look at CONTROLLER Mennes' work. Mennes presumably was not at the lunch Board Meeting. It still seems a provocative thing to do, and can only cause problems in the office. If Mennes was party to the audit, Pepys wouldn't have said it was done "upon Sir G. Carteret’s accounts."
Another meaning of this is that over lunch Carteret expressed concern that his accounts had not been settled to include the King's "right". Pepys went back to the office and took a look to see what the truth of the situation was, and found that that was correct.
Pepys and Warwick have been talking about Sam keeping an eye on Carteret's accounts for a couple of years now. But this is the first time I recall him saying that he actually saw them. Since it's Tuesday I assume he did it in front of the whole office ... no mention of Carteret giving permission for him to do this, or what subterfuge he used to justify looking at another man's work.
From Claire Tomalin's "Samuel Pepys: The Unequalled Self" pp 49-50 http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclo… "Sir George Carteret, … had official lodgings at Whitehall, a house in Pall Mall, another at Deptford and a country mansion near Windsor, and he was the highest paid, with 2,000l. a year and the right to three pence in every pound he handled -- this was a remnant of the old way of doing things."
No mention what the old way of doing things required being paid to the King. &&& I guess lunch today was in the Pall Mall house.
"Thence to the office, where upon Sir G. Carteret’s accounts, to my great vexation there being nothing done by the Controller to right the King therein. "
Does this mean that Carteret hasn't given Charles II the customary cut? That he has actually been so rash as to spend the money on the Navy?
"a good bigot? Berkeley & Carteret "Concession & Agreement" on New Jersey: "ITEM. That no person qualified as aforesaid within the said Province, at any time shall be any ways molested, punished, disquieted or called in question for any difference in opinion or practice in matter of religious concernments, ..."
The Concession & Agreement sounds enlightened until you remember that Charles II wanted religious peace in England. He was pragmatic enough to know it was necessary for people who didn't agree with the Anglican church to have somewhere to go, or the civil wars would start over again. Therefore I am sure he explained to the friends he was rewarding with land grants, like Berkeley and Carteret, that they should get rich by using the work of those wanted to leave the mother country. A win-win-win policy for the English. Not so hot for the Native Americans, but that's another story ... Plus Berkeley and Carteret might not want to live with the people they were providing a sanctuary for either. It was business.
I omitted to clarify that mother Barbara Villiers was one of the controversial ladies-in-waiting and Groom of the Stool to Queen Catherine of Braganza.
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About Samuel Edlin
San Diego Sarah • Link
Since Pepys took his bachelor's degree in 1654, and Edlin entered in 1653, it is possible they knew each other, and certainly knew people in common. He must have been pleasant company because Pepys ate with him a lot.
About George Hill
San Diego Sarah • Link
On Friday 17 February 1659/60 there is an interesting discussion about the origins of the venerated English instrument house of W.E. Hill and Sons (in London from the 1800's to the l970's) which took great pride in this entry. However, the biography of Arthur Bultitude, one of W.E. Hill's bow makers, in tracing the genealogy of the Hill family, now disputes the claim. Nevertheless, people possessing Hill bows, instruments, or certificates will probably go right on quoting Pepys' mention with pleasure.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
About Thursday 16 February 1659/60
San Diego Sarah • Link
"Pepys may be discovering the value of not carrying a lot of cash but he's always "giving drafts". Wonder if he carries a tab?"
Yes, everyone carried a tab with their regular suppliers -- Pepys would have one at Will's for example. People settled their accounts once a quarter. The reason was that there were not enough coins to fill the demand, so you kept tallys (marks on sticks -- you've heard Pepys talk about them already) or a "bar tab". When you got paid by someone, you hurried over to one of your creditors and paid them, so what coins there were changed hands many times in one or two days.
Quarter Days fall near the solstices or equinoxes, and the days are associated with the beginning of a new season. They are: Lady Day (25th March), Midsummer (24th June), Michaelmas (29th September) and Christmas (25th December). They were the times when servants were hired, rents due, or leases begun.
Alternatively, when Pepys bought a book, he would haggle on the price, and then pay 50 per cent up-front earnest money, and then the final 50 per cent when the bound book was delivered. But his bookseller wasn't a regular supplier, so Pepys had to establish a credit relationship with him by making his payments on time and being a repeat customer. Which I am sure he did.
About Sunday 12 February 1659/60
San Diego Sarah • Link
"Mrs. Pepys seems more aware of the nuances of social class: keeping a little dog was also associated with the leisured classes as is evident in the court painting of the time. The Pepys are certainly a couple on the up and up, ..."
Helena is jumping the gun here. I think Balty had a puppy to dispose of, and gave it to his sister. I suspect Elizabeth took the pup as they are a good way to handle stress. It makes noise, so it is a guard dog (lots of unemployed, hungry young men around). And if Pepys hates it, at worst it could be eaten.
Pepys didn't have the money for the rent last month, and is wondering how long he will have this job. No one was secure -- a revolt somewhere, followed by another civil war, could break out tomorrow. Those troops were owed 2 years of back pay.
SPOILER: The Pepys will go up the social ladder -- months from now, after the Restoration. There are a lot of delicate political moves to be made between now and then, and it could all easily go horribly wrong.
About Friday 10 February 1659/60
San Diego Sarah • Link
OH ... "The case concerned possession of a house in Westminster owned by Arthur Squibb (once Teller of the Exchequer) and occupied by William wan. William Beaver, Squibb's tenant, brought an action of trespass and ejection"
Arthur Squibb/William Beaver have repossessed the house and office PREMISES from Downing, not taken Downing's job.
I suspect there's going to be a lot more cases about who owns which house shortly!
About Sunday 11 June 1665
San Diego Sarah • Link
Well done, Centurion.
About Seething Lane
San Diego Sarah • Link
One weekday in June every year there is a charming ceremony held in Seething Lane gardens, presided over by Samuel Pepys' statue, of course. This article gives a brief history of Seething Lane and the background to the ceremony. It's up to you to figure out when the ceremony will be held each year ... https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/blog/…
About Sunday 11 June 1665
San Diego Sarah • Link
I get that, StanB, and you and I might think/react that way. But Pepys didn't. And tempting as it is to rewrite the diary, we shouldn't. I suspect Pepys didn't panic because he knew Philip Harmen would have been locked in his house with a large red X on the door if his wife had had the plague.
The Josselin diary entries tell us that the country folk were well informed about the arrival and growth of the plague in London. That to me is the value of these entries, plus the weather report, of course. The news went quite quickly from London to the wilds of Essex.
About Sunday 11 June 1665
San Diego Sarah • Link
StanB ... cramps were considered an illness, and put women to bed for days ... abscessed teeth were the 4th leading cause of death. While I agree that the plague would have had me heading off to my country estate now, I don't think their assumption would be that every ill person was infected.
About Fleet Street
San Diego Sarah • Link
Pepys would recognize quite a few of these photographs ... well worth a few minutes of your time:
http://spitalfieldslife.com/2018/…
About Sunday 11 June 1665
San Diego Sarah • Link
Sasha, Pepys has amnesia again ... last winter he bought a red suit. His bit about always wearing black is pure hogwash.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
About Arabella Churchill
San Diego Sarah • Link
It interests me how Pepys loves to gossip about Charles II's mistresses, but he works for James and either turns a blind eye to the shenanigans he walks through a few times a week, or decides not to report on the gossip he must hear.
In 1665, Sir Winston Churchill's eldest daughter, Arabella Churchill, became Maid of Honor to Anne Hyde, Duchess of York. Arabella was 17, and her brother, John Churchill, joined his sister as page to Anne's husband, James, Duke of York a few months later.
Arabella later became one of the Duke of York's mistresses.
John Churchill often accompanied the Duke of York inspecting the troops in the royal parks, and decided to pursue a military career. On September 14, 1667, soon after his 17th birthday, John Churchill obtained a commission as ensign in the King's Own Company in the 1st Guards, later to become the Grenadier Guards.
In 1668, Ensign John Churchill sailed for Tangier, and stayed here for three years, gaining first-class tactical training and field experience skirmishing with the Moors. Chandler says details of this period are sketchy, but he appears to have also served aboard ship in the naval blockade of the Barbary pirate-den of Algiers.
Incidentally, John Churchill also attended St. Paul's School in London (after his father was recalled as Junior Clerk Comptroller of the King's Household at Whitehall in 1663). Pepys visited the school in 1664 -- I wonder if they met:
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
About Friday 9 June 1665
San Diego Sarah • Link
Is there nothing between black and red for a suit, Pepys? Black is safe and appropriate ... and you did red last year, remember? It does sound as if you crave attention. Blue or green would be good ...
About Thursday 8 June 1665
San Diego Sarah • Link
"... there was considerable confidence in Pepys and his team to oversee the logistics." Don't forget, Gen. Monck, Duke of Albemarle also was there, overseeing their performance. I think that was an excellent choice; if things failed, Monck was a Parliamentarian and expendable. If things succeeded, it was a credit to Charles II's decision to integrate the two sides into one fighting force. He was a cautious general, used to giving orders and thinking about great quantities of logistics.
About Tuesday 6 June 1665
San Diego Sarah • Link
My error: THE CONTROLLER is, of course, Vice Admiral Sir John Mennes (1599 – 18 February 1671). Pepys described him as "ill at ease" in this role, and as of January 1664 it appears Mennes may have been experiencing Parkinson's, lead or alcohol poisoning.
So it's TREASURER Carteret giving Pepys permission to look at CONTROLLER Mennes' work. Mennes presumably was not at the lunch Board Meeting. It still seems a provocative thing to do, and can only cause problems in the office. If Mennes was party to the audit, Pepys wouldn't have said it was done "upon Sir G. Carteret’s accounts."
Another meaning of this is that over lunch Carteret expressed concern that his accounts had not been settled to include the King's "right". Pepys went back to the office and took a look to see what the truth of the situation was, and found that that was correct.
And they are out of funds anyways. Oh dear ...
About Tuesday 6 June 1665
San Diego Sarah • Link
Pepys and Warwick have been talking about Sam keeping an eye on Carteret's accounts for a couple of years now. But this is the first time I recall him saying that he actually saw them. Since it's Tuesday I assume he did it in front of the whole office ... no mention of Carteret giving permission for him to do this, or what subterfuge he used to justify looking at another man's work.
From Claire Tomalin's "Samuel Pepys: The Unequalled Self" pp 49-50 http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclo… "Sir George Carteret, … had official lodgings at Whitehall, a house in Pall Mall, another at Deptford and a country mansion near Windsor, and he was the highest paid, with 2,000l. a year and the right to three pence in every pound he handled -- this was a remnant of the old way of doing things."
No mention what the old way of doing things required being paid to the King.
&&&
I guess lunch today was in the Pall Mall house.
About Friday 2 June 1665
San Diego Sarah • Link
"... each reader can decide whether the Merry Monarch might have been storing heaps of face-powder."
Gunpowder more like it.
About Tuesday 6 June 1665
San Diego Sarah • Link
"Thence to the office, where upon Sir G. Carteret’s accounts, to my great vexation there being nothing done by the Controller to right the King therein. "
Does this mean that Carteret hasn't given Charles II the customary cut? That he has actually been so rash as to spend the money on the Navy?
About Monday 5 June 1665
San Diego Sarah • Link
"a good bigot? Berkeley & Carteret "Concession & Agreement" on New Jersey: "ITEM. That no person qualified as aforesaid within the said Province, at any time shall be any ways molested, punished, disquieted or called in question for any difference in opinion or practice in matter of religious concernments, ..."
The Concession & Agreement sounds enlightened until you remember that Charles II wanted religious peace in England. He was pragmatic enough to know it was necessary for people who didn't agree with the Anglican church to have somewhere to go, or the civil wars would start over again. Therefore I am sure he explained to the friends he was rewarding with land grants, like Berkeley and Carteret, that they should get rich by using the work of those wanted to leave the mother country. A win-win-win policy for the English. Not so hot for the Native Americans, but that's another story ... Plus Berkeley and Carteret might not want to live with the people they were providing a sanctuary for either. It was business.
About Sir Henry Felton
San Diego Sarah • Link
I omitted to clarify that mother Barbara Villiers was one of the controversial ladies-in-waiting and Groom of the Stool to Queen Catherine of Braganza.
The man was connected.