Up and, with my wife to church, and coming out, went out both before my Lady Batten, he not being there, which I believe will vex her.
I read this snub as being entirely intentional, and only done because Sir William was not there. Pepys has a very low opinion of Lady Elizabeth Turner Woodstocke Batten (Sir William's second wife. They married in 1659; she was the widow of William Woodstocke of Westminster. Pepys quickly developed a low opinion of her: e.g. Thursday 1 August 1661: "I hear how nurse’s husband has spoken strangely of my Lady Batten how she was such a man’s whore" http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…)
I suspect Samuel is provoking Sir William to act rashly in retaliation.
8 January, 1668. I saw deep and prodigious gaming at the Groom Porter's, vast heaps of gold squandered away in a vain and profuse manner. This I looked on as a horrid vice, and unsuitable in a Christian Court.
✹ Mary on 23 Dec 2005 • Link new way of the Call Book. Call-books recorded the allocation of men to jobs. In this entry we see Pepys introducing his new system of call-books on a trial basis for the next quarter, initially in the Deptford Yards. The experiment was successful, Pepys' system replaced the older system from the summer of 1663 onwards and he took pride in this particular piece of administrative reorganisation. (per L&M).
✹ celtcahill on 24 Dec 2005 • Link The call books would also document who was working and who not. Prevent overbilling for wages of nonexistant staff, and prevent payment to those who didn't work, but might send the sister or wife 'round on the odd errand....
"...I walked together a good while in the Matted Gallery...", so called because it be matted [not dull] with reeds, along with sweet smelling fragranced brushes from the country side along withe scrubs of wormwood for killing of the lice [ escapees from passers bye]. A titbit lifted from E.Picard Elizabeths London. [Then everything be recycled]
Oh, that's why it took Pepys six months to read Hollond's book ... he was copying it. Now he's taken it to the book-binders for a nice leather cover to match the rest of his library.
My guess why Pepys didn't go home: according to the good Rev. " ... a clear freezing morning after it began to thaw, and carry away the ice, ..." Pepys stays in bed until he has to go to Church, giving the downstairs servants a break after a busy week cleaning up. The weather is fine, and after lunch he walks many miles to Whitehall to see the King in church, and to meet with Montagu. He lingers playing music and gossiping with his friends. By 4 p.m. it is dark, cold, wet and there are no carriages available, and going by water is unthinkable. Then Montagu calls him back, so he decides to camp with friends. Let's hope he dispatched The Boy to tell Elizabeth he wouldn't be home; Pepys usually omits mention of Wayneman's services, and I doubt he would have set out that afternoon to see Montagu without a servant in tow. Besides Elizabeth knew where he was going.
My annotation disappeared, so this may be a duplicate: Pepys seems to be having a hard time with this book:
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1… Friday, 25 July, 1662 -- At the office all the morning, reading Mr. Hollond’s discourse of the Navy, lent me by Mr. Turner, and am much pleased with them, they hitting the very diseases of the Navy, which we are troubled with now-a-days. I shall bestow writing of them over and much reading thereof.
I'm shocked ... Elizabeth returned from Brampton on Saturday, 27 September, 1662, and this is the first time she has gone to church? That's 10 Sundays ... I would have thought that the turmoil caused by the adoption of the new Book of Common Prayer would mean there was more scrutiny of attendance than usual ... but apparently not.
To save others from searching for this information, here's a repost about the letter that was keeping Pepys awake at night: ✹ Terry F on 6 Nov 2005 • Link • Flag "my Lord Treasurer’s letter" -- L&M note on 11 December referring to "our great letter, so long in doing, to my Lord Treasurer": "This was a statement of account, dated this day, relating to a parliamentary grant of 29 January 1662 for wages, paid and payable, for the period 19 March-10 September. The grant had amounted to £417,220 and the expenditure to £142,446. ... It had been in preparation since 6 November. http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1… Thomas Wriothesley (4th Earl of Southampton, Lord Treasurer 1660-1667)
Pepys worked until 10 at night, then home for supper, and then read a play before going to bed. I wonder who stayed up to feed him. It must have been after 1 a.m. when he hit the sack. That's a lot of candles, which were expensive. I wonder what Elizabeth was up to all that time. No wonder she was bored.
And the Diary continues "... and that he was very angry and hot, and said he would speak to the Duke. To which, knowing that all this was but to scare me, and to get him to put off his resolution of making up the entry, I did tell him plainly how I did not value his anger more, than he did mine, and that I should be willing to do what the Duke commanded, and I was sure to have justice of him, and that was all I did say to him about it, though I was much vexed, and after a little stay went home; and there telling my wife she did put me into heart, and resolve to offer him to change lodgings, and believe that that will one way or other bring us to some end in this dispute."
I read Pepys as saying that he recognized this gossip was designed to upset Sam, provoking him into doing something stupid. However, Pepys called Penn's bluff by saying he was so sure of the Duke's sense of Justice he was willing to offer to swap housing. However, Pepys was upset by the conversation and cooled his heels in the garden before going home and persuading Elizabeth that this was the only way to kick the argument far enough upstairs that the dispute could be ended in their favor. A gutsy move.
For once we have no "and so to bed" today. Plus the last paragraph appears to be a note added later, and applies to today and not yesterday ... or there is no reason why SP would have gone to Tom's house and been surprised that he was not home.
Pepys says he went to My Lord's. He usually says he went to the Wardrobe. Does Sandwich live at the Wardrobe, or is it just "the office address" while the family lives at Montagu House?
Frances Stewart, who was enchanting Chas II at Court at the time, was called "La Belle Stuart". James Butler, Duke of Ormonde's family name was also spelled le Boteler and le Botiller. The surname has its origins in the hereditary office of Butler of Ireland. So Frances Butler's pet name is a play on words (remembering that spelling and consistency were not 17th century necessities ... how they knew who was who is beyond me).
When Pepys visits Montagu, I'm guessing he visits him at the Wardrobe. Or is the Wardrobe an "office" address, and the family sleep and entertain privately at Montagu House?
The flag issue has been brewing for a while: Tuesday 29 July 1662 -- This morning among other things I broached the business of our being abused about flags, which I know doth trouble Sir W. Batten, but I care not. ... and in the evening walked to Deptford (Cooper with me talking of mathematiques) ... and to see the difference between the flags sent in now-a-days, and I find the old ones, which were much cheaper, to be wholly as good. So I took one of a sort with me, and Mr. Wayth accompanying of me a good way, talking of the faults of the Navy, ... http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
Since the roof is now tiled, I presume the interiors will have to be finished, doors hung, floorboards polished, never mind rain damage repaired. Lots to be done before Elizabeth, Wayneman and Sarah can come home. Will they still be able to walk on the roof after this?
I found this filed under John Boys: Per L&M Companion -- Boys was a wholesaler at the Three Crowns, Cheapside. In Aug. 1662 he married Elizabeth, daughter of John Bligh, citizen and salter, later an Irish M.P. Elizabeth Bligh Boys' mother was Catherine Fuller Bligh, sister of Pepys' friend Dean William Fuller.
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About Sunday 28 December 1662
San Diego Sarah • Link
Up and, with my wife to church, and coming out, went out both before my Lady Batten, he not being there, which I believe will vex her.
I read this snub as being entirely intentional, and only done because Sir William was not there. Pepys has a very low opinion of Lady Elizabeth Turner Woodstocke Batten (Sir William's second wife. They married in 1659; she was the widow of William Woodstocke of Westminster. Pepys quickly developed a low opinion of her: e.g. Thursday 1 August 1661: "I hear how nurse’s husband has spoken strangely of my Lady Batten how she was such a man’s whore" http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…)
I suspect Samuel is provoking Sir William to act rashly in retaliation.
About Groom-Porter
San Diego Sarah • Link
John Evelyn's Diary –
8 January, 1668. I saw deep and prodigious gaming at the Groom Porter's, vast heaps of gold squandered away in a vain and profuse manner. This I looked on as a horrid vice, and unsuitable in a Christian Court.
http://brittlebooks.library.illin…
About Call-book
San Diego Sarah • Link
✹ Mary on 23 Dec 2005 • Link
new way of the Call Book. Call-books recorded the allocation of men to jobs. In this entry we see Pepys introducing his new system of call-books on a trial basis for the next quarter, initially in the Deptford Yards. The experiment was successful, Pepys' system replaced the older system from the summer of 1663 onwards and he took pride in this particular piece of administrative reorganisation. (per L&M).
✹ celtcahill on 24 Dec 2005 • Link
The call books would also document who was working and who not. Prevent overbilling for wages of nonexistant staff, and prevent payment to those who didn't work, but might send the sister or wife 'round on the odd errand....
About Long/Matted Gallery (Whitehall Palace)
San Diego Sarah • Link
in Aqua Scripto on 21 Dec 2005 • Link • Flag
"...I walked together a good while in the Matted Gallery...", so called because it be matted [not dull] with reeds, along with sweet smelling fragranced brushes from the country side along withe scrubs of wormwood for killing of the lice [ escapees from passers bye]. A titbit lifted from E.Picard Elizabeths London. [Then everything be recycled]
About Thursday 18 December 1662
San Diego Sarah • Link
Oh, that's why it took Pepys six months to read Hollond's book ... he was copying it. Now he's taken it to the book-binders for a nice leather cover to match the rest of his library.
About Sunday 14 December 1662
San Diego Sarah • Link
My guess why Pepys didn't go home: according to the good Rev. " ... a clear freezing morning after it began to thaw, and carry away the ice, ..." Pepys stays in bed until he has to go to Church, giving the downstairs servants a break after a busy week cleaning up. The weather is fine, and after lunch he walks many miles to Whitehall to see the King in church, and to meet with Montagu. He lingers playing music and gossiping with his friends. By 4 p.m. it is dark, cold, wet and there are no carriages available, and going by water is unthinkable. Then Montagu calls him back, so he decides to camp with friends. Let's hope he dispatched The Boy to tell Elizabeth he wouldn't be home; Pepys usually omits mention of Wayneman's services, and I doubt he would have set out that afternoon to see Montagu without a servant in tow. Besides Elizabeth knew where he was going.
About Friday 12 December 1662
San Diego Sarah • Link
"... sat talking with her all the afternoon ..." Given Gosnell, Sarah, and Susan, I wish we were in on this conversation!
And add to that list Balty's involvement and lies. Sam and Elizabeth better be talking.
About Friday 12 December 1662
San Diego Sarah • Link
My annotation disappeared, so this may be a duplicate: Pepys seems to be having a hard time with this book:
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
Friday, 25 July, 1662 -- At the office all the morning, reading Mr. Hollond’s discourse of the Navy, lent me by Mr. Turner, and am much pleased with them, they hitting the very diseases of the Navy, which we are troubled with now-a-days. I shall bestow writing of them over and much reading thereof.
About Sunday 7 December 1662
San Diego Sarah • Link
I'm shocked ... Elizabeth returned from Brampton on Saturday, 27 September, 1662, and this is the first time she has gone to church? That's 10 Sundays ... I would have thought that the turmoil caused by the adoption of the new Book of Common Prayer would mean there was more scrutiny of attendance than usual ... but apparently not.
About Wednesday 19 November 1662
San Diego Sarah • Link
To save others from searching for this information, here's a repost about the letter that was keeping Pepys awake at night:
✹ Terry F on 6 Nov 2005 • Link • Flag
"my Lord Treasurer’s letter" -- L&M note on 11 December referring to "our great letter, so long in doing, to my Lord Treasurer":
"This was a statement of account, dated this day, relating to a parliamentary grant of 29 January 1662 for wages, paid and payable, for the period 19 March-10 September. The grant had amounted to £417,220 and the expenditure to £142,446. ... It had been in preparation since 6 November. http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
Thomas Wriothesley (4th Earl of Southampton, Lord Treasurer 1660-1667)
About Saturday 15 November 1662
San Diego Sarah • Link
Pepys worked until 10 at night, then home for supper, and then read a play before going to bed. I wonder who stayed up to feed him. It must have been after 1 a.m. when he hit the sack. That's a lot of candles, which were expensive. I wonder what Elizabeth was up to all that time. No wonder she was bored.
About Wednesday 5 November 1662
San Diego Sarah • Link
And the Diary continues "... and that he was very angry and hot, and said he would speak to the Duke. To which, knowing that all this was but to scare me, and to get him to put off his resolution of making up the entry, I did tell him plainly how I did not value his anger more, than he did mine, and that I should be willing to do what the Duke commanded, and I was sure to have justice of him, and that was all I did say to him about it, though I was much vexed, and after a little stay went home; and there telling my wife she did put me into heart, and resolve to offer him to change lodgings, and believe that that will one way or other bring us to some end in this dispute."
I read Pepys as saying that he recognized this gossip was designed to upset Sam, provoking him into doing something stupid. However, Pepys called Penn's bluff by saying he was so sure of the Duke's sense of Justice he was willing to offer to swap housing. However, Pepys was upset by the conversation and cooled his heels in the garden before going home and persuading Elizabeth that this was the only way to kick the argument far enough upstairs that the dispute could be ended in their favor. A gutsy move.
About Wednesday 10 September 1662
San Diego Sarah • Link
For once we have no "and so to bed" today. Plus the last paragraph appears to be a note added later, and applies to today and not yesterday ... or there is no reason why SP would have gone to Tom's house and been surprised that he was not home.
About Saturday 23 August 1662
San Diego Sarah • Link
She got in, and Charles after her, followed by the Duke of York and the Princes Edward and Rupert, and the Countess of Suffolk as lady-in-waiting.
Who is Prince Edward?
About Friday 22 August 1662
San Diego Sarah • Link
Pepys says he went to My Lord's. He usually says he went to the Wardrobe. Does Sandwich live at the Wardrobe, or is it just "the office address" while the family lives at Montagu House?
About Frances Butler
San Diego Sarah • Link
Frances Stewart, who was enchanting Chas II at Court at the time, was called "La Belle Stuart". James Butler, Duke of Ormonde's family name was also spelled le Boteler and le Botiller. The surname has its origins in the hereditary office of Butler of Ireland. So Frances Butler's pet name is a play on words (remembering that spelling and consistency were not 17th century necessities ... how they knew who was who is beyond me).
About Wednesday 20 August 1662
San Diego Sarah • Link
When Pepys visits Montagu, I'm guessing he visits him at the Wardrobe. Or is the Wardrobe an "office" address, and the family sleep and entertain privately at Montagu House?
About Wednesday 13 August 1662
San Diego Sarah • Link
The flag issue has been brewing for a while: Tuesday 29 July 1662 -- This morning among other things I broached the business of our being abused about flags, which I know doth trouble Sir W. Batten, but I care not. ... and in the evening walked to Deptford (Cooper with me talking of mathematiques) ... and to see the difference between the flags sent in now-a-days, and I find the old ones, which were much cheaper, to be wholly as good. So I took one of a sort with me, and Mr. Wayth accompanying of me a good way, talking of the faults of the Navy, ... http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
About Monday 11 August 1662
San Diego Sarah • Link
Since the roof is now tiled, I presume the interiors will have to be finished, doors hung, floorboards polished, never mind rain damage repaired. Lots to be done before Elizabeth, Wayneman and Sarah can come home. Will they still be able to walk on the roof after this?
About Three Crowns (Cheapside)
San Diego Sarah • Link
I found this filed under John Boys: Per L&M Companion -- Boys was a wholesaler at the Three Crowns, Cheapside. In Aug. 1662 he married Elizabeth, daughter of John Bligh, citizen and salter, later an Irish M.P. Elizabeth Bligh Boys' mother was Catherine Fuller Bligh, sister of Pepys' friend Dean William Fuller.