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About Wednesday 3 February 1663/64

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"I saw two gallants and their footmen taking a pretty wench, which I have much eyed, lately set up shop upon the hill, a seller of riband and gloves. They seek to drag her by some force, but the wench went, and I believe had her turn served, but, God forgive me! what thoughts and wishes I had of being in their place."
Most disturbing, I read that Sam is witnessing a rape and wishing he was one of the men having a go at the woman???

About Monday 1 February 1663/64

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"Among others I spoke with Mrs. Lane, of whom I doubted to hear something of the effects of our last meeting about a fortnight or three weeks ago, but to my content did not"
Glyn, you may be right, perhaps Sam was just relieved that she didn't say anthing to lead others within hearing distance to believe that they had been together, but when I read this I thought that he was relieved that she didn't say anthing to him that would mean that she thought she could be pregnant.

About Monday 1 February 1663/64

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"They tell me that he goes into the country next week, and that the young ladies come up this week before the old lady. [?? D.W.]"

Per L&M -Sandwich's 2 daughters Lady Jemima and Lady Paulina Mountagu, & his niece Elizabeth Pickering were coming to town ahead of his wife ("my old lady")

About Saturday 30 January 1663/64

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In regards to the will... Perhaps Sam realized if he didn't put a will in place to provide for Elizabeth then perhaps Will would put himself in place to provide for Elizabeth upon Sam's death!

About Sunday 31 January 1663/64

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50Ls! In one month?!

Robert,remember how the month started--with 50L via the "exchange letter" from Deering/Luellin. Taken into consideration he's made zip outside of a "bribe", or should I say, he's made zip outside of a "payment for extraordinary past and future service duly recorded in a manner to leave no trace...."

About Saturday 30 January 1663/64

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"under the title of "Love a Cheate"

hmmm, isn't that Elizabeth in the next room writing her version called "I Love a Cheate"...

About Saturday 30 January 1663/64

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"we made perfect and signed and sealed my last will and testament"
L&M says that neither the will nor the note of his estate survive. Such a pity, as it would have been very interesting to see how he intended to provide for Elizabeth.

About Wednesday 27 January 1663/64

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Perhaps Sam is too distressed to record any feelings about Thomas, but while I was reading this, I was thinking about the incident when he thought Elizabeth would die and his outpouring of emotion:

" where my wife, by drinking some cold beer, being hot herself, presently after 'lighting, begins to be sick, and became so pale, and I alone with her in a great chamber there, that I thought she would have died, and so in great horror, and having a great tryall of my true love and passion for her, called the mayds and mistresse of the house, and so with some strong water, and after a little vomit, she came to be pretty well again"
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…

Sam clearly knows how to record his feelings of worry and distress and does it in situations that concern him (his worries about Lord Sandwich for instance), so this entry stood out to me as rather matter of fact in comparison.

This has nothing to do with if he is a 'good' brother or not. My curiosity is wondering how Sam actually felt about the situation, which is something he does express & record from time to time, but not here today.

About Wednesday 27 January 1663/64

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"the generality of mankind pleasing themselves in the easy delights of the world, as eating, drinking, dancing, hunting, fencing, which we see the meanest men do the best, those that profess it. A gentleman never dances so well as the dancing master"

Boy he hit on a few truisms here that must have made Sam squirm in his seat..."easy delights (Mrs. Lane) and "A gentleman never dances so well as the dancing master" (Pembleton) hopefully gave Sam some cause for self-reflection (but I doubt it)
Also, of interesting note to me Sam reports that
"so called to see Tom, but not at home, though they say he is in a deep consumption, and Mrs. Turner and Dike and they say he will not live two months to an end."
I am struck that he literally seems to just be reporting this matter of factly and that there isn't any side comment about concern, fear, interest, etc. in his brother beyond his statement of fact.

About Tuesday 26 January 1663/64

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"where she bid 40l. for one to adventure the fetching of a cabinet out"
I have read that Lady Castlemaine always kept letters that Charles wrote to her during his more "passionate moments" which she would use to blackmail him with over time. My guess (and it's just a guess) is the perhaps these would be more valuable than any jewels, etc. that she owned as they could ensure her future.

About Monday 25 January 1663/64

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Now, since it'a a Friday afternoon, how could I not point out this splendid comment,,,,,

"and so all into his closet"

reminds me of the South Park episode, trying to get Tom Cruise OUT of the closet... oh how expressions change from generation to generation!

About Monday 25 January 1663/64

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Thanks Bryan for the great summary and Michael for the detail on Ollard. Having read a few of his books about "our friends" in this time period, reading about Ollard's passing was rather sad, as we won't have any more of his insights into these times to look forward to.

About Sunday 24 January 1663/64

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"I did go to my office, and there fell on entering, out of a bye- book, part of my second journall-book, which hath lain these two years and more unentered"
I am curious-does anyone know what journal Sam is referring to here? He seems to have quite a few different journals he keeps between the Diary and the "official" records associated with his job.

About Thursday 21 January 1663/64

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January 22 entry
Looks like Phil may be behind. Here is the entry for the 22nd for those in withdrawl (although you may want to post when Phil loads the actual day).

[Entry removed, 16 January 2017, to avoid confusion now the 22 January post is there.]

About Wednesday 20 January 1663/64

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"among other things he tells me that my Lady Castlemaine is not at all set by by the King, but that he do doat upon Mrs. Stewart only; and that to the leaving of all business in the world, and to the open slighting of the Queene"
By this point Charles was totally infatuated with Frances Stewart, yet Lady Castlemaine had not been turned out. As long as Frances remained "technically" a virgin Charles still had a "physical" need to keep Castlemaine around. As Anthony Hamilton (who actually wrote Grammont's Memoir's) is mentioned in today's entry, below is a funny Castlemaine-Stewart story that gives an indication of what ludicrous issues the King allowed himself to put up with (when he could have been focusing on real work instead!. This is quoted from Chapter 7 of Grammont's Memoirs and probably took place sometime around this time period.

"Coaches with glasses were then a late invention: the ladies were afraid of being shut up in them: they greatly preferred the pleasure of shewing almost their whole persons, to the conveniences of modern coaches: that which was, made for the king not being remarkable for its elegance, the Chevalier de Grammont was of opinion that something ingenious might be invented, which should partake of the ancient fashion, and likewise prove preferable to the modern; he therefore sent away Termes privately with all the necessary instructions to Paris: the Duke of Guise was likewise charged with this commission; and the courier, having by the favour of Providence escaped the quicksand, in a month's time brought safely over to England the most elegant and magnificent calash that had ever been seen, which the Chevalier presented to the king.

The Chevalier de Grammont had given orders, that fifteen hundred louis should be expended upon it; but the Duke of Guise, who was his friend, to oblige him, laid out two thousand. All the court was in admiration at the magnificence of the present; and the king, charmed with the Chevalier's attention to every thing which could afford him pleasure, failed not to acknowledge it: he would not, however, accept a present of so much value, but upon condition that the Chevalier should not refuse another from him.

The queen, imagining that so splendid a carriage might prove fortunate for her, wished to appear in it first, with the Duchess of York. Lady Castlemaine, who had seen them in it, thinking that it set off a fine figure to greater advantage than any other, desired the king to lend her this wonderful calash to appear in it the first fine day in Hyde Park. Miss Stewart had the same wish, and requested to have it on the same day. As it was impossible to reconcile these two goddesses, whose former union was turned into mortal hatred, the king was very much perplexed.

Lady Castlemaine was with child, and threatened to miscarry, if her rival was preferred. Miss Stewart threatened that she never would be with child, if her request was not granted: this menace prevailed, and Lady Castlemaine's rage was so great, that she had almost kept her word; and it was believed that this triumph cost her rival some of her innocence."

About Thursday 14 January 1663/64

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Ebay alert-Charles & Catherine coin
not related to today's entry but interesting to this time (and not for sale by me!)

http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.…

(I never know where to paste these things when they come up as they come and go so quickly but I think that a few of our general readership may have interest. From time to time I get an email from a happy winner).

About Thursday 14 January 1663/64

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From "All For the King" by Balleine
Miss Ann this should answer your question
"Evelyn again gives the date: '1663, July 16. Sir George Carteret has married his daughter Carolina to Sir Thomas Scott of Scott's Hall, Kent. The gent. is thought to be the son of Prince Rupert'. Scott's mother had been Prince Rupert's mistress, had had lived apart from her husband for 12 years before the baby was born. Her husband had repudiated the child, 'pleading it was unlawfully got, but, said Pepys, ' a little while before his death he did own the child and left him his estate. So Sir George Carteret struck up of a sudden match with him for his little daughter" (p. 139)

About Tuesday 12 January 1663/64

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"but Sam's reaction puzzles me!!"
It puzzles me too, except that Sam may be overwhelmed by the thought that "methinks he do seem to have some intention of good to us".. when perhaps some of our readership crew may tend to think that Uncle Thomas' intentions are to do some good (and have some fun) for himself.
How strange that Sam would miss that one, and as Clement says how creepy for Elizabeth is right.
It must also be very odd for Elizabeth as she told her husband some man was hitting on her and he seems not to have been concerned. From her perspective it must be quite odd too.