Does anyone know what are the "hundreds" in this full L&M note rephrased for clarity by Mary?
"the country is backward to come in with their carts"
L&M note: “A recent act of May 1662 (14 Car. II c. 20) required parishes to provide horse- or ox-carts for the carriage of timber for the navy at a cost of 1s. a mile. Warrants to this effect were to be issued to the constables of the *hundreds* and parishes by J.P.’s acting at the request of the naval purveyor. In the case here reported the authorities may have met resistance because it was harvest-time: cf. CSPD 1663-4, pp. 258-9. The system was always unpopular and was abolished by an act of 1695, after which the Navy Office bore the full charge.” [my **]
"passed for the King's Navy by the landowners in Parliament”
Methinks the “carts for the Navy” bill, which fell unequally on forest parishes and hundreds (?), was first passed by the merchants and their allies in Commons and then the Lords got on board the King’s merchant-becoming-military fleet’s flag-ship (with a flag whose quality was undubious: ask that look-into-everything Mr. Pepys): and the backstory was, as usual, the rivalries with the continental powers.
Sir Anthony Deane 1638-1721: A. Hamilton is correct.
"The son of a shipmaster from Harwich, Deane was destined to serve an apprenticeship in the Royal Dockyards, becoming assistant to the redoubtable Christopher Pett at Woolwich by the time he was twenty two. It was during this period that Deane became acquainted with Samuel Pepys, who was just five years his senior, and who was to become "Clerk to the King's Ships". Their friendship was to last many years, and to serve Deane well, particularly as Pepys and Petts did not enjoy an easy relationship.” http://www.rina.org.uk/showarticl…
This bio then goes into some detail and is perhaps not as “short” as I said (in the Encyclopedia).
"the country is backward to come in with their carts."
"I say! Mr. Cooper, do you mean yon cart carrying oats should be carrying lumber instead?" "Aye, Mr. Pepys, just as I said. They plead that is their harvest...." "Can one not hail them and charge them to do what the law lately requires?" "They comply a bit, I confess; this is the first Autumn of the law; they are not fully insensitive to it; so there are negotiations, but they are going very slowly."
[A man on yon cart, to his chum:] "This new #$%^ law, passed for the King's Navy by the landowners in Parliament; who well know that crops dictate harvestimes! We must pay to them the rent! What will become of us crofters?!"
(At this point, Terry Foreman declines to attempt further to lamely imitate il miglior fabbro Robert Gertz; and is appalled to be told by L&M that the negotiations he imputes to Mr. Cooper will be resolved in, oh,...33 years!)
Self-interest on the part of the legislative? What Jeremy Bentham will address, a bit more directly than William Godwin, a century on.
How does "measuring of the tables and other things [help] understand measuring of timber and board very well" so as to detect and prevent the nefarious "off-square"?
" Mr. Deane...showed me the whole mystery of off square"
L&M note: "A fraudulent method of measuring timber: See W. Leybourn, *Compleat Surveyor* (1674), p.350.
L&M disagree with Wheatley. Leybourn is available for sale as a rare book and is in some libraries. I Googled "off-square", "off-square timber," etc. but in vain, except:
"In the production of finger-jointed lumber, vision systems might be developed to provide a cost effective way of measuring profile deviations (including off-square cuts and broken fingers) as well as adhesive application." http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/in…
""Loaded" or "gaffed" dice can be made in many ways to cheat at such games. Weights can be added, or some edges made round while others are sharp, or some faces made slightly off-square, to make some outcomes more likely than would be predicted by pure chance. Dice used in casinos are often transparent to make loading more difficult." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dice
My conjecture is that "off-square"-cut timber is cut in Waltham Forest as a trapezoid, measured on the short side, and billed on the long side.
What think ye of this conundrum, O motley crewe that discussed "true cut" lumber? (Does anyone have a copy of Leybourn handy?
A. De Araujo on Sat 30 Jul 2005 "but I know he envies me" Very conceited our man Sam!Is there a portrait of Sir William Batten? http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
A. Hamilton on Ananais and Sapphira --thanks for that: it makes Dr. Bates's words all the more powerful.
In 1955 I was taught in school (perhaps erroneously) by a teacher with a sense of humor that the longest word in the English language (then) was "antidisestablishmentarianism" -- what Dr. Bates believes God bids him to oppose in this case.
The History of Shorthand By Anita Kreitzman National Court Reporters Association (USA)
As a feature of the 17c revolution in shorthand, "Samuel Pepys used the Shelton system of shorthand to record his account of the Great Fire of London as well as offer his most vivid recollection of the Great Plague. To his credit, Pepys was an excellent shorthand reporter. He had to be, for he records that he by command of King Charles II took down in shorthand from his own mouth the narrative of his escape from Worcester."
"There were many names for shorthand over the years - brachygraphy, tachygraphy and stenography are just a few. The word shorthand first appeared in an epitaph to be found in Westminster Abbey. It concerns William Laurence who died on December 28, 1661:
‘Shorthand he wrote, his flowre in prime did fade, And hasty death shorthand of him hath made.’"
"Pepys had a MS. copy of the sermon, or notes he had taken himself."
L&M's conjecture (which it is: note the "or"; the "either" that belongs at the beginning of this sentence is missing) about whether Pepys had an MS. copy of this sermon: though the events of this day might well have prompted Bates to write out a full text of the sermon, this excursus -- though planned -- may have been extemporaneous; apparently more than one person was taking notes, likely in shorthand, since Pepys's version varies from the published one.
Preaching from a full-text MS. needn't have been Bates's usual practice: note-taking of sermons for publication was not uncommon from the 17c shorthand-revolution on, perhaps until the advent of sound recording.
One exceptional example: perhaps the greatest European preacher of the early 19th century, Friedrich Schleiermacher, preaching in Berlin's principal Protestant pulpit at Trinity Church (1807-34), also in a sensitive time for politics and religion, with the King's household and the intellectual elite in the pews, took with him to the pulpit a sketchy outline, and after a calm, clear exposition of the text, elaborated on it with energy (but not with the "enthusiasm" he deplored). Publishers relyied on several note-takers, and the sermons in his Collected Works filled 10 volumes.
But I tend to think the "calm, measured" Bates was not Schleiermacher in method, though other English preachers were.
I wrote "the 17c shorthand-revolution" and should make good on it (some of you know the story):
The History of Shorthand By Anita Kreitzman (excerpted) National Court Reporters Association
"Modern Times A brief ray of light appears with a mention of shorthand in the Renaissance period. But it is not until 1588 that a revival of shorthand occurred with the publication in London of Dr. Timothie Bright's Characterie. An Arte of Shorte, Swifte, and Secrete Writing by Character. Queen Elizabeth gave Dr. Bright the exclusive right to the publication and use of shorthand. It probably helped that Dr. Bright had the foresight to dedicate the book to Queen Elizabeth.
"Bright's system was not an alphabet, but rather a list of 500 arbitrary signs to be used in place of words. It was John Willis who first published an alphabet shorthand in 1602. Shorthand was becoming popular again, and many more systems were published in succeeding years. Once more, shorthand was used for religious purposes, but the most famous use of shorthand at that time involved the Great Fire of London in 1620.
"Samuel Pepys used the Shelton system of shorthand to record his account of the Great Fire of London as well as offer his most vivid recollection of the Great Plague. To his credit, Pepys was an excellent shorthand reporter. He had to be, for he records that he by command of King Charles II 'took down in shorthand from his own mouth the narrative of his escape from Worcester.'
"There were many names for shorthand over the years - brachygraphy, tachygraphy and stenography are just a few. The word shorthand first appeared in an epitaph to be found in Westminster Abbey. It concerns William Laurence who died on December 28, 1661:
Shorthand he wrote, his flowre in prime did fade, And hasty death shorthand of him hath made."
"I pray God keep peace among us, and make the Bishops careful of bringing in good men in their rooms"
L&M note: "For complaints made later on this score, see [the Diary, 1664]."
I fear you describe my country, Jeannine, the USA, where religion has become a potent political weapon: minions of the regnant "win-all-at-any-cost" party preach intolerance in the name of the fiction that this nation was "Christian" at the founding; whereas its Constitution's ONE mention of religion is to prohibit a religious test for holding office -- recalling the painful experience of the kind Sam and his city undergo.
Thank you, Michael Robinson: splendid exegesis! I was puzzled indeed, but you have made sense of how Acts 5 -- and BOTH parts of it -- applies to the current situation and the actors and their parts.
"I...am confident that God will pardon me for it in the next."
L&M note: "Pepys had a MS. copy of the sermon, or notes he had taken himself. The printed version (op. cit., n.p.) ran: 'I know you should expect I say something, as to my nonconformity. I shall onley [sic] say this much, it is neither fancy, faction, nor humour,. that makes me not comply, but meerly [sic] for offending God. And if after the best means used for my illumination, as prayer to God, discourse, study, *I* am not able to be satisfied concerning the lawfulness of what is required; if it be my unhappiness to be in error, surely *men* will have no reason to be angry with me in this world, and *I* hope *God* will pardon me in the next.'"
"the Chapter in the Acts where the story of Ananias and Saphira is"
L&M note: "The sermon (on Heb., xiii.20-1) was printed in *A compleat collection of farewel sermons...(1663); PL 1168.
The KJV text is: "Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead, our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."
This text is not Lectionary -- the Epistle "to be read," prescribed for this Sunday by the Book of Common Prayer -- and is therefore prima facie nonconformist --; but surely it was inspired!! -- addressing the day of conflict in most pacific terms, bespeaking the spirit of the man and his attitude toward the times as far as we know it.
"Does anyone have a clear idea of what Sam's house looked like?”
From David Quidnunc, in the Background info (aka Encyclopedia) “In the diary, Pepys sometimes used different names for the same room, but here's a list provided in Liza Picard's ‘Restoration London.’ In the order in which Pepys mentions them, ‘Pepys seems to have had’: http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclo… but, alas, no picture and no indication of which floor the rooms were on. My sense is that now there are 3 floors and a basement: what think y’all?
Glyn's suggestion is borne out by the entry of Monday 22 April 1661: KING'S GOING FROM YE TOWER TO WHITE HALL
Footnote 2: “The members of the Navy Office appear to have chosen Mr. Young's house [in Cornhill] on account of its nearness to the second triumphal arch, situated near the Royal Exchange, which was dedicated to the Navy.” http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
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About Monday 18 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
Does anyone know what are the "hundreds" in this full L&M note rephrased for clarity by Mary?
"the country is backward to come in with their carts"
L&M note: “A recent act of May 1662 (14 Car. II c. 20) required parishes to provide horse- or ox-carts for the carriage of timber for the navy at a cost of 1s. a mile. Warrants to this effect were to be issued to the constables of the *hundreds* and parishes by J.P.’s acting at the request of the naval purveyor. In the case here reported the authorities may have met resistance because it was harvest-time: cf. CSPD 1663-4, pp. 258-9. The system was always unpopular and was abolished by an act of 1695, after which the Navy Office bore the full charge.” [my **]
About Monday 18 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"passed for the King's Navy by the landowners in Parliament”
Methinks the “carts for the Navy” bill, which fell unequally on forest parishes and hundreds (?), was first passed by the merchants and their allies in Commons and then the Lords got on board the King’s merchant-becoming-military fleet’s flag-ship (with a flag whose quality was undubious: ask that look-into-everything Mr. Pepys): and the backstory was, as usual, the rivalries with the continental powers.
About Monday 18 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
Sir Anthony Deane 1638-1721: A. Hamilton is correct.
"The son of a shipmaster from Harwich, Deane was destined to serve an apprenticeship in the Royal Dockyards, becoming assistant to the redoubtable Christopher Pett at Woolwich by the time he was twenty two. It was during this period that Deane became acquainted with Samuel Pepys, who was just five years his senior, and who was to become "Clerk to the King's Ships". Their friendship was to last many years, and to serve Deane well, particularly as Pepys and Petts did not enjoy an easy relationship.”
http://www.rina.org.uk/showarticl…
This bio then goes into some detail and is perhaps not as “short” as I said (in the Encyclopedia).
About Monday 18 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"the country is backward to come in with their carts."
"I say! Mr. Cooper, do you mean yon cart carrying oats should be carrying lumber instead?"
"Aye, Mr. Pepys, just as I said. They plead that is their harvest...."
"Can one not hail them and charge them to do what the law lately requires?"
"They comply a bit, I confess; this is the first Autumn of the law; they are not fully insensitive to it; so there are negotiations, but they are going very slowly."
[A man on yon cart, to his chum:]
"This new #$%^ law, passed for the King's Navy by the landowners in Parliament; who well know that crops dictate harvestimes! We must pay to them the rent! What will become of us crofters?!"
(At this point, Terry Foreman declines to attempt further to lamely imitate il miglior fabbro Robert Gertz; and is appalled to be told by L&M that the negotiations he imputes to Mr. Cooper will be resolved in, oh,...33 years!)
Self-interest on the part of the legislative? What Jeremy Bentham will address, a bit more directly than William Godwin, a century on.
About Monday 18 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
How does "measuring of the tables and other things [help] understand measuring of timber and board very well" so as to detect and prevent the nefarious "off-square"?
I confess to being puzzled.
About Monday 18 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
Here be a trapezoid: a bit off-square.
http://mathworld.wolfram.com/Trap…
About Monday 18 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
" Mr. Deane...showed me the whole mystery of off square"
L&M note: "A fraudulent method of measuring timber: See W. Leybourn, *Compleat Surveyor* (1674), p.350.
L&M disagree with Wheatley. Leybourn is available for sale as a rare book and is in some libraries. I Googled "off-square", "off-square timber," etc. but in vain, except:
"In the production of finger-jointed lumber, vision systems might be developed to provide a cost effective way of measuring profile deviations (including off-square cuts and broken fingers) as well as adhesive application."
http://strategis.ic.gc.ca/epic/in…
""Loaded" or "gaffed" dice can be made in many ways to cheat at such games. Weights can be added, or some edges made round while others are sharp, or some faces made slightly off-square, to make some outcomes more likely than would be predicted by pure chance. Dice used in casinos are often transparent to make loading more difficult."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dice
My conjecture is that "off-square"-cut timber is cut in Waltham Forest as a trapezoid, measured on the short side, and billed on the long side.
What think ye of this conundrum, O motley crewe that discussed "true cut" lumber?
(Does anyone have a copy of Leybourn handy?
About Monday 18 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
Who's conceited? Anthony Deane or Sam?!
A. De Araujo on Sat 30 Jul 2005
"but I know he envies me"
Very conceited our man Sam!Is there a portrait of Sir William Batten?
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
About Sunday 17 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
A. Hamilton on Ananais and Sapphira --thanks for that: it makes Dr. Bates's words all the more powerful.
In 1955 I was taught in school (perhaps erroneously) by a teacher with a sense of humor that the longest word in the English language (then) was "antidisestablishmentarianism" -- what Dr. Bates believes God bids him to oppose in this case.
About Shorthand
Terry F. • Link
The History of Shorthand By Anita Kreitzman
National Court Reporters Association (USA)
As a feature of the 17c revolution in shorthand, "Samuel Pepys used the Shelton system of shorthand to record his account of the Great Fire of London as well as offer his most vivid recollection of the Great Plague. To his credit, Pepys was an excellent shorthand reporter. He had to be, for he records that he by command of King Charles II took down in shorthand from his own mouth the narrative of his escape from Worcester."
"There were many names for shorthand over the years - brachygraphy, tachygraphy and stenography are just a few. The word shorthand first appeared in an epitaph to be found in Westminster Abbey. It concerns William Laurence who died on December 28, 1661:
‘Shorthand he wrote, his flowre in prime did fade,
And hasty death shorthand of him hath made.’"
http://www.ncraonline.org/about/h…
About Sunday 17 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"Pepys had a MS. copy of the sermon, or notes he had taken himself."
L&M's conjecture (which it is: note the "or"; the "either" that belongs at the beginning of this sentence is missing) about whether Pepys had an MS. copy of this sermon: though the events of this day might well have prompted Bates to write out a full text of the sermon, this excursus -- though planned -- may have been extemporaneous; apparently more than one person was taking notes, likely in shorthand, since Pepys's version varies from the published one.
Preaching from a full-text MS. needn't have been Bates's usual practice: note-taking of sermons for publication was not uncommon from the 17c shorthand-revolution on, perhaps until the advent of sound recording.
One exceptional example: perhaps the greatest European preacher of the early 19th century, Friedrich Schleiermacher, preaching in Berlin's principal Protestant pulpit at Trinity Church (1807-34), also in a sensitive time for politics and religion, with the King's household and the intellectual elite in the pews, took with him to the pulpit a sketchy outline, and after a calm, clear exposition of the text, elaborated on it with energy (but not with the "enthusiasm" he deplored). Publishers relyied on several note-takers, and the sermons in his Collected Works filled 10 volumes.
But I tend to think the "calm, measured" Bates was not Schleiermacher in method, though other English preachers were.
I wrote "the 17c shorthand-revolution" and should make good on it (some of you know the story):
The History of Shorthand By Anita Kreitzman (excerpted)
National Court Reporters Association
"Modern Times
A brief ray of light appears with a mention of shorthand in the Renaissance period. But it is not until 1588 that a revival of shorthand occurred with the publication in London of Dr. Timothie Bright's Characterie. An Arte of Shorte, Swifte, and Secrete Writing by Character. Queen Elizabeth gave Dr. Bright the exclusive right to the publication and use of shorthand. It probably helped that Dr. Bright had the foresight to dedicate the book to Queen Elizabeth.
"Bright's system was not an alphabet, but rather a list of 500 arbitrary signs to be used in place of words. It was John Willis who first published an alphabet shorthand in 1602. Shorthand was becoming popular again, and many more systems were published in succeeding years. Once more, shorthand was used for religious purposes, but the most famous use of shorthand at that time involved the Great Fire of London in 1620.
"Samuel Pepys used the Shelton system of shorthand to record his account of the Great Fire of London as well as offer his most vivid recollection of the Great Plague. To his credit, Pepys was an excellent shorthand reporter. He had to be, for he records that he by command of King Charles II 'took down in shorthand from his own mouth the narrative of his escape from Worcester.'
"There were many names for shorthand over the years - brachygraphy, tachygraphy and stenography are just a few. The word shorthand first appeared in an epitaph to be found in Westminster Abbey. It concerns William Laurence who died on December 28, 1661:
Shorthand he wrote, his flowre in prime did fade,
And hasty death shorthand of him hath made."
http://www.ncraonline.org/about/h…
About Sunday 17 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"I pray God keep peace among us, and make the Bishops careful of bringing in good men in their rooms"
L&M note: "For complaints made later on this score, see [the Diary, 1664]."
I fear you describe my country, Jeannine, the USA, where religion has become a potent political weapon: minions of the regnant "win-all-at-any-cost" party preach intolerance in the name of the fiction that this nation was "Christian" at the founding; whereas its Constitution's ONE mention of religion is to prohibit a religious test for holding office -- recalling the painful experience of the kind Sam and his city undergo.
About Sunday 17 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
Thank you, Michael Robinson: splendid exegesis!
I was puzzled indeed, but you have made sense of how Acts 5 -- and BOTH parts of it -- applies to the current situation and the actors and their parts.
About Sunday 17 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"a week abroad with Dr Pepys, nobody knows where"
L&M note: "They had been bride-hunting on Tom's behalf."
About Sunday 17 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
Ooops: "onley" should be "onely" (sic!).
About Sunday 17 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"I...am confident that God will pardon me for it in the next."
L&M note: "Pepys had a MS. copy of the sermon, or notes he had taken himself. The printed version (op. cit., n.p.) ran: 'I know you should expect I say something, as to my nonconformity. I shall onley [sic] say this much, it is neither fancy, faction, nor humour,. that makes me not comply, but meerly [sic] for offending God. And if after the best means used for my illumination, as prayer to God, discourse, study, *I* am not able to be satisfied concerning the lawfulness of what is required; if it be my unhappiness to be in error, surely *men* will have no reason to be angry with me in this world, and *I* hope *God* will pardon me in the next.'"
"the Chapter in the Acts where the story of Ananias and Saphira is"
L&M note: "Ch. V." http://www.hti.umich.edu/cgi/k/kj…
About Sunday 17 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"Dr Bates's farewell sermon"
L&M note: "The sermon (on Heb., xiii.20-1) was printed in *A compleat collection of farewel sermons...(1663); PL 1168.
The KJV text is: "Now the God of peace, that brought again from the dead, our Lord Jesus, that great shepherd of the sheep, through the blood of the everlasting covenant, Make you perfect in every good work to do his will, working in you that which is wellpleasing in his sight, through Jesus Christ; to whom be glory for ever and ever. Amen."
This text is not Lectionary -- the Epistle "to be read," prescribed for this Sunday by the Book of Common Prayer -- and is therefore prima facie nonconformist --; but surely it was inspired!! -- addressing the day of conflict in most pacific terms, bespeaking the spirit of the man and his attitude toward the times as far as we know it.
About Saturday 16 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
(Lovely depiction, Robert Gertz -- the very measures of our men.)
About Saturday 16 August 1662
Terry F. • Link
"Does anyone have a clear idea of what Sam's house looked like?”
From David Quidnunc, in the Background info (aka Encyclopedia) “In the diary, Pepys sometimes used different names for the same room, but here's a list provided in Liza Picard's ‘Restoration London.’ In the order in which Pepys mentions them, ‘Pepys seems to have had’: http://www.pepysdiary.com/encyclo…
but, alas, no picture and no indication of which floor the rooms were on. My sense is that now there are 3 floors and a basement: what think y’all?
About Monday 14 July 1662
Terry F. • Link
Glyn's suggestion is borne out by the entry of Monday 22 April 1661: KING'S GOING FROM YE TOWER TO WHITE HALL
Footnote 2: “The members of the Navy Office appear to have chosen Mr. Young's house [in Cornhill] on account of its nearness to the second triumphal arch, situated near the Royal Exchange, which was dedicated to the Navy.” http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…