"Without cell phones, it's amazing how often Sam manages to locate someone he's looking for, or who is looking for him."
Agreed, but London and Westminster/Whitehall were both smaller and distinct places back then. Plus there were a limited number of people running around, and they knew each other, or at least what the crests on the sides of coaches meant.
Plus many of the alleyways between the houses were too small for carriages, so they were crowded onto the major highways. If Pepys is chasing someone in a coach there were many short cuts he could take to get ahead of the coach -- which was walking because of the amount of traffic.
It shouldn't be hard for Pepys to guess the route the coach is taking and get ahead of it.
OR he could send his boy of the day to the gentleman's house and enquire where he may be found. That way Pepys has a fighting chance of finding his objective.
Cell phones are definitely more efficient and less work.
The Lambeth Palace Library has a Missal with a wonderful woodcut showing a big chicken with -- I think -- 6 chicks. They posted a picture of it on Facebook with this information:
"This woodcut from a Missal in our Sion College collection was given to Sion College by Simeon Ashe in 1655, who was a Westminster Puritan and chaplain to Edward Montagu, a Roundhead leader. "The markings around the chicks feet appear to give an illusion as to how many chicks there actually are."
This relates to Matthew 23 - "how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings".
My only answer to that, RLB, is that Pepys never used that shillings/pense connection during the Diary. I Googled the question and they didn't have an answer as to when it was adopted. But since no one has said they find the "l" as being confusing, I will adopt your preference.
The House of Commons has finally noticed that the Poll Tax has not been collected in London yet. From today in Parliament:
Poll Bill. Ordered, That Sir John Robinson, and Sir John Fredericke, do give Intimation to the Lord Mayor, this Afternoon, that this House doth take notice of the great Neglect of the City of London in collecting of the Money upon the Poll Bill, and upon the Acts of Assessment, in the several and respective Wards; and that they speedily collect and pay in the same: And Sir John Robinson is to report their Answer, and Proceedings therein, on Monday Morning next.
Across the river in Deptford, John Evelyn paid his on 6 October, 1660: "I paid the great tax of poll money, levied for disbanding the army, till now kept up. I paid as an Esquire 10/., and one shilling for every servant in my house."
"I dined with my Lady and my Lady Pickering, where her son John dined with us, who do continue a fool as he ever was since I knew him. His mother would fain marry him to get a portion for his sister Betty but he will not hear of it."
The Pickerings are now in much reduced circumstances; Pepys noted that their lodgings "... was a poor one in Blackfryars," and Lady Elizabeth Montagu Pickering did not invite him in when he walked her home recently, which surprised him. https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
She is the wife of the notorious Parliamentarian Sir Gilbert Pickering (one of the judges at the trial of King Charles and a forgiven Regicide, although his sentence was still under review by Parliament); at best he will never hold office again, plus their lands have been confiscated so there are no rents coming in. They are probably living on the Sandwich's charity and whatever son John brings home, which must irritate John, who grew up wanting nothing as his father was a wealthy landed gentlemen with Cromwell's ear.
Both John and young Betty's futures now depend on John making an adventageous marriage. Bill, in John Pickering's Encyclopedia page, says he was born in 1640, so he's 20 now. That's a lot of responsibility on some evidently immature shoulders.
Pepys was probably more mature at 10 than this spoiled young aristocrat will ever be. Who would have him for their daughter? He has nothing to offer, so phoo phooing his mother's ideas is one way of lessening the pressure.
From time to time the Barnet "Physic Well" is opening free of charge for people to visit. They warn that the Physic Well is in a small room underground and is reached by steep stone steps. It's located on the corner of Well Approach and Pepys Crescent.
Barnet’s Physic Well is a mineral water spring which was thought to have therapeutic qualities. It was popular from the later 17th century through the 18th century, and its visitors included Samuel Pepys, who wrote about the visit in his diary.
Charles II spared no expense to ensure his Coronation Day was marred by nothing, including the weather.
In 2020 plans were being made for renovations to the Palace of Westminster, and one of the architects opened a locked door, and found a forgotten passageway:
For centuries, the entrance would have been used by great political luminaries, such as the diarist Samuel Pepys, the first de facto Prime Minister of Great Britain – Robert Walpole – and arch-rivals Charles James Fox and William Pitt the younger. A brass plate marks where the doorway had once been in Westminster Hall.
Liz Hallam Smith, the team’s historical consultant from the University of York, said: “We were trawling through 10,000 uncatalogued documents relating to the palace at the Historic England Archives in Swindon, when we found plans for the doorway in the cloister behind Westminster Hall. As we looked at the paneling closely, we realized there was a tiny brass key-hole that no-one had noticed before, believing it might just be an electricity cupboard. Once a key was made for it, the paneling opened up like a door into this secret entrance.” In what looks like a little room, the team discovered the original hinges for 2 wooden doors 3-½ meters high that would have opened into Westminster Hall.
There was another surprise for the team when they entered the passageway – they were able to light the room. A switch - probably installed in the 1950s following restoration work after WWII - not only worked but illuminated a large Osram bulb marked ‘HM Government Property’.
Dr. Mark Collins, Parliament’s Estates Historian, said further investigations made him certain the doorway dated back at least 360 years.
Dendrochronology testing revealed that the ceiling timbers above the little room dated from trees felled in 1659 – which tied in with surviving accounts that stated the doorway was made in 1660-61 for the coronation banquet of Charles II. Research showed the route was used by part of the procession which passed from the old House of Lords into the hall where Charles II and Queen Catherine were seated.
Thereafter, the doorway was used at subsequent coronations, by the Speaker's procession and day-to-day by MPs to access the original Commons chamber.
I use the slash as being the closest representation of the text which must use an italic "l". IMAO it's more clear than adding what could be mistaken for a one to the uninitiated.
Whatever -- either way I think these easy changes will help future readers.
".. After dinner Mr. Snow and I went up together to discourse about the putting out of 80/. to a man who lacks the money and would give me 15/. per annum for 8 years for it, which I did not think profit enough. ... "A year ago He could not come up with 15L in excess let alone 80L."
Mr. Snow is after Sandwich's money, not Pepys' savings, Vincent.
"... thence to Westminster Hall to speak with Mr. Wm. Montagu about his looking upon the title of those lands which I do take as security for 3,000/. of my Lord’s money."
L&M directs us to a passage in the Diary for December 5, 1660. Basically, William Montagu MP has found someone who needs a mortgage, and Pepys is investing some of the 3,000/. that Sandwich gave him to handle -- the cash, be in silver and/or gold, is currently locked in Jack Spicer's office. https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
Vincent's Latin is far better than mine after all these years!
"Qui homo mature quaesivit pecuniam, Nisi eam mature parsit, mature esurit." = He who has made money at the right time, if he is not soon sparing of it, will too soon suffer hunger.
"Many traders would then syndicate out his investment. If the ship went down, he lost nothing -- his investors lost it all. If the ship came home, he kept 50 percent of his profit."
L&M: John Snow - Pepys' relative. Of Blackwall; in 1666 occupying a house taxed on 6 hearths. The connection has not been established with certainty, but may be through the Glascocks. (A John Snow married Sarah Glascock at Romford, Essex in 1628, and a Joseph Snow married a Susan Glascock at Chigwell, Essex in 1631.) A John Snow was one of the under-officers at the House of Lords in 1665. A Ralph Snow received a ring as a friend at Pepys' funeral in 1703.
"Abstract "The Restoration of Charles II in 1660 did not mark the end of the mid-century experience with fiscal experimentation. Almost all of the surviving records of the Interregnum excise regime come from the investigations of the lord treasurer after the Restoration. The Treasury, assisted by Elias Ashmole, comptroller of the excise for the city of London and future accountant-general of the whole excise, was able to preserve for the restored regime the lessons of Interregnum finance Coffman, 2010, pp. 235–256). As salary books from both sides of the Restoration confirm, much of the excise establishment had survived not only the Protectorate but also regime change. These continuities in the administrative structures and in personnel facilitated the settlement of the excise. To a remarkable degree, the Restoration’s first lord treasurer was successful at brokering a compromise with local interests and in rewarding those who had been loyal to the Crown. Displaying commitment to the ‘ancient course of the Exchequer’ and to the rule of law, the Treasury was able to defuse resistance to the tax and secure continued access to financial intermediaries."
Pepys doesn't share Fauntleroy's first name, so we have no way of knowing if this is the right man. But he is a good candidate ...
You can read Thomas Fauntleroy's book, "Lux in Tenebris, or A Clavis to the Treasury in Broad-Street" at https://llds.ling-phil.ox.ac.uk/l…
The whole title: "By vertue of severall ordinances of the Lords and Commons now assembled in Parliament, directed to us the Commissioners of Excise, for the ordering and receipts of the excise and new-import." Author: England and Wales. Commissioners of Excise. Publication info: [London : s.n., 1644] https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo…
Everything you want to know about the Excise Taxation and the Origins of Public Debt from 1647 - 1663 -- which covers Thomas Fauntleroy's time there: https://link.springer.com/book/10…
"An issue with a long history prior to its being listed as a grievance in 1776 in the US Declaration of Independence
"Commons considers Quartering Soldiers."
It wasn't just the corporation of Windsor suffering from the cost of supporting 300 Parlimentary soldiers awaiting discharge.
A couple of other things struck me abour today's Parliamentary debates: 1. Sandwich has avoided attending the House of Lords consistently. I wonder why -- Hyde is there, Monck is there, his peers are there. It's not good to be missing in action without a good excuse -- like being at sea.
And 2. today Wentworth Dillon, the Earl of Roscommon's petition to have his title and lands restoreds as they were in January, 1649 was introduced. This will effect the course of Pepys' friend's life, Col. Cary Dillon. https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
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Third Reading
About Thursday 22 November 1660
San Diego Sarah • Link
"Without cell phones, it's amazing how often Sam manages to locate someone he's looking for, or who is looking for him."
Agreed, but London and Westminster/Whitehall were both smaller and distinct places back then. Plus there were a limited number of people running around, and they knew each other, or at least what the crests on the sides of coaches meant.
Plus many of the alleyways between the houses were too small for carriages, so they were crowded onto the major highways. If Pepys is chasing someone in a coach there were many short cuts he could take to get ahead of the coach -- which was walking because of the amount of traffic.
It shouldn't be hard for Pepys to guess the route the coach is taking and get ahead of it.
OR he could send his boy of the day to the gentleman's house and enquire where he may be found. That way Pepys has a fighting chance of finding his objective.
Cell phones are definitely more efficient and less work.
About Simeon Ashe
San Diego Sarah • Link
The Lambeth Palace Library has a Missal with a wonderful woodcut showing a big chicken with -- I think -- 6 chicks. They posted a picture of it on Facebook with this information:
"This woodcut from a Missal in our Sion College collection was given to Sion College by Simeon Ashe in 1655, who was a Westminster Puritan and chaplain to Edward Montagu, a Roundhead leader.
"The markings around the chicks feet appear to give an illusion as to how many chicks there actually are."
This relates to Matthew 23 - "how often I have longed to gather your children together, as a hen gathers her chicks under her wings".
About Sunday 18 November 1660
San Diego Sarah • Link
"... and were much made of."
I get the feeling the Sir Williams are flattering their young colleague for their own purposes.
About Thursday 15 November 1660
San Diego Sarah • Link
My only answer to that, RLB, is that Pepys never used that shillings/pense connection during the Diary. I Googled the question and they didn't have an answer as to when it was adopted.
But since no one has said they find the "l" as being confusing, I will adopt your preference.
About Saturday 17 November 1660
San Diego Sarah • Link
The House of Commons has finally noticed that the Poll Tax has not been collected in London yet. From today in Parliament:
Poll Bill.
Ordered, That Sir John Robinson, and Sir John Fredericke, do give Intimation to the Lord Mayor, this Afternoon, that this House doth take notice of the great Neglect of the City of London in collecting of the Money upon the Poll Bill, and upon the Acts of Assessment, in the several and respective Wards; and that they speedily collect and pay in the same:
And Sir John Robinson is to report their Answer, and Proceedings therein, on Monday Morning next.
Across the river in Deptford, John Evelyn paid his on 6 October, 1660:
"I paid the great tax of poll money, levied for disbanding the army, till now kept up. I paid as an Esquire 10/., and one shilling for every servant in my house."
About Saturday 17 November 1660
San Diego Sarah • Link
"I dined with my Lady and my Lady Pickering, where her son John dined with us, who do continue a fool as he ever was since I knew him. His mother would fain marry him to get a portion for his sister Betty but he will not hear of it."
The Pickerings are now in much reduced circumstances; Pepys noted that their lodgings "... was a poor one in Blackfryars," and Lady Elizabeth Montagu Pickering did not invite him in when he walked her home recently, which surprised him.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
She is the wife of the notorious Parliamentarian Sir Gilbert Pickering (one of the judges at the trial of King Charles and a forgiven Regicide, although his sentence was still under review by Parliament); at best he will never hold office again, plus their lands have been confiscated so there are no rents coming in. They are probably living on the Sandwich's charity and whatever son John brings home, which must irritate John, who grew up wanting nothing as his father was a wealthy landed gentlemen with Cromwell's ear.
Both John and young Betty's futures now depend on John making an adventageous marriage. Bill, in John Pickering's Encyclopedia page, says he was born in 1640, so he's 20 now. That's a lot of responsibility on some evidently immature shoulders.
Pepys was probably more mature at 10 than this spoiled young aristocrat will ever be. Who would have him for their daughter? He has nothing to offer, so phoo phooing his mother's ideas is one way of lessening the pressure.
About Barnet, Hertfordshire
San Diego Sarah • Link
From time to time the Barnet "Physic Well" is opening free of charge for people to visit.
They warn that the Physic Well is in a small room underground and is reached by steep stone steps.
It's located on the corner of Well Approach and Pepys Crescent.
Barnet’s Physic Well is a mineral water spring which was thought to have therapeutic qualities. It was popular from the later 17th century through the 18th century, and its visitors included Samuel Pepys, who wrote about the visit in his diary.
For a photo of how it looks today, see
https://www.ianvisits.co.uk/calen…
About Coronation Day (Charles II)
San Diego Sarah • Link
Charles II spared no expense to ensure his Coronation Day was marred by nothing, including the weather.
In 2020 plans were being made for renovations to the Palace of Westminster, and one of the architects opened a locked door, and found a forgotten passageway:
For centuries, the entrance would have been used by great political luminaries, such as the diarist Samuel Pepys, the first de facto Prime Minister of Great Britain – Robert Walpole – and arch-rivals Charles James Fox and William Pitt the younger.
A brass plate marks where the doorway had once been in Westminster Hall.
Liz Hallam Smith, the team’s historical consultant from the University of York, said: “We were trawling through 10,000 uncatalogued documents relating to the palace at the Historic England Archives in Swindon, when we found plans for the doorway in the cloister behind Westminster Hall.
As we looked at the paneling closely, we realized there was a tiny brass key-hole that no-one had noticed before, believing it might just be an electricity cupboard.
Once a key was made for it, the paneling opened up like a door into this secret entrance.”
In what looks like a little room, the team discovered the original hinges for 2 wooden doors 3-½ meters high that would have opened into Westminster Hall.
There was another surprise for the team when they entered the passageway – they were able to light the room. A switch - probably installed in the 1950s following restoration work after WWII - not only worked but illuminated a large Osram bulb marked ‘HM Government Property’.
Dr. Mark Collins, Parliament’s Estates Historian, said further investigations made him certain the doorway dated back at least 360 years.
Dendrochronology testing revealed that the ceiling timbers above the little room dated from trees felled in 1659 – which tied in with surviving accounts that stated the doorway was made in 1660-61 for the coronation banquet of Charles II.
Research showed the route was used by part of the procession which passed from the old House of Lords into the hall where Charles II and Queen Catherine were seated.
Thereafter, the doorway was used at subsequent coronations, by the Speaker's procession and day-to-day by MPs to access the original Commons chamber.
Excerpted from
https://www.parliament.uk/busines…
About Thursday 15 November 1660
San Diego Sarah • Link
"Using slashes would add more confusion."
MartinVT, glad you agree about the confusion.
I use the slash as being the closest representation of the text which must use an italic "l". IMAO it's more clear than adding what could be mistaken for a one to the uninitiated.
Whatever -- either way I think these easy changes will help future readers.
About Bottomry
San Diego Sarah • Link
Our first discussion of Bottomry begins at
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
About Friday 16 November 1660
San Diego Sarah • Link
".. After dinner Mr. Snow and I went up together to discourse about the putting out of 80/. to a man who lacks the money and would give me 15/. per annum for 8 years for it, which I did not think profit enough. ...
"A year ago He could not come up with 15L in excess let alone 80L."
Mr. Snow is after Sandwich's money, not Pepys' savings, Vincent.
About Friday 16 November 1660
San Diego Sarah • Link
"... thence to Westminster Hall to speak with Mr. Wm. Montagu about his looking upon the title of those lands which I do take as security for 3,000/. of my Lord’s money."
L&M directs us to a passage in the Diary for December 5, 1660.
Basically, William Montagu MP has found someone who needs a mortgage, and Pepys is investing some of the 3,000/. that Sandwich gave him to handle -- the cash, be in silver and/or gold, is currently locked in Jack Spicer's office.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
About Friday 16 November 1660
San Diego Sarah • Link
Vincent's Latin is far better than mine after all these years!
"Qui homo mature quaesivit pecuniam, Nisi eam mature parsit, mature esurit."
= He who has made money at the right time, if he is not soon sparing of it, will too soon suffer hunger.
From notation 2C
https://thrax.mpiwg-berlin.mpg.de…
About Monday 6 August 1660
San Diego Sarah • Link
"Many traders would then syndicate out his investment. If the ship went down, he lost nothing -- his investors lost it all. If the ship came home, he kept 50 percent of his profit."
This practice is called Bottomry, and we have an Encyclopedia page about it.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
About John Snow
San Diego Sarah • Link
L&M: John Snow - Pepys' relative. Of Blackwall; in 1666 occupying a house taxed on 6 hearths.
The connection has not been established with certainty, but may be through the Glascocks. (A John Snow married Sarah Glascock at Romford, Essex in 1628, and a Joseph Snow married a Susan Glascock at Chigwell, Essex in 1631.)
A John Snow was one of the under-officers at the House of Lords in 1665.
A Ralph Snow received a ring as a friend at Pepys' funeral in 1703.
About Excise Office
San Diego Sarah • Link
Everything you want to know about the Excise Taxation and the Origins of Public Debt from 1647 - 1663.
https://link.springer.com/book/10…
The Restoration Chapter can be read in full at
https://link.springer.com/chapter…
"Abstract
"The Restoration of Charles II in 1660 did not mark the end of the mid-century experience with fiscal experimentation.
Almost all of the surviving records of the Interregnum excise regime come from the investigations of the lord treasurer after the Restoration.
The Treasury, assisted by Elias Ashmole, comptroller of the excise for the city of London and future accountant-general of the whole excise, was able to preserve for the restored regime the lessons of Interregnum finance Coffman, 2010, pp. 235–256).
As salary books from both sides of the Restoration confirm, much of the excise establishment had survived not only the Protectorate but also regime change. These continuities in the administrative structures and in personnel facilitated the settlement of the excise.
To a remarkable degree, the Restoration’s first lord treasurer was successful at brokering a compromise with local interests and in rewarding those who had been loyal to the Crown.
Displaying commitment to the ‘ancient course of the Exchequer’ and to the rule of law, the Treasury was able to defuse resistance to the tax and secure continued access to financial intermediaries."
About Thomas Fauntleroy
San Diego Sarah • Link
Pepys doesn't share Fauntleroy's first name, so we have no way of knowing if this is the right man. But he is a good candidate ...
You can read Thomas Fauntleroy's book, "Lux in Tenebris, or A Clavis to the Treasury in Broad-Street"
at https://llds.ling-phil.ox.ac.uk/l…
The whole title: "By vertue of severall ordinances of the Lords and Commons now assembled in Parliament, directed to us the Commissioners of Excise, for the ordering and receipts of the excise and new-import."
Author: England and Wales. Commissioners of Excise.
Publication info: [London : s.n., 1644]
https://quod.lib.umich.edu/e/eebo…
Everything you want to know about the Excise Taxation and the Origins of Public Debt from 1647 - 1663 -- which covers Thomas Fauntleroy's time there:
https://link.springer.com/book/10…
About Sir William Mountagu
San Diego Sarah • Link
L&M: William Montagu MP was Sandwich's principal legal advisor.
About Thursday 15 November 1660
San Diego Sarah • Link
"An issue with a long history prior to its being listed as a grievance in 1776 in the US Declaration of Independence
"Commons considers Quartering Soldiers."
It wasn't just the corporation of Windsor suffering from the cost of supporting 300 Parlimentary soldiers awaiting discharge.
A couple of other things struck me abour today's Parliamentary debates:
1. Sandwich has avoided attending the House of Lords consistently.
I wonder why -- Hyde is there, Monck is there, his peers are there. It's not good to be missing in action without a good excuse -- like being at sea.
And 2. today Wentworth Dillon, the Earl of Roscommon's petition to have his title and lands restoreds as they were in January, 1649 was introduced. This will effect the course of Pepys' friend's life, Col. Cary Dillon.
https://www.pepysdiary.com/encycl…
About Thursday 15 November 1660
San Diego Sarah • Link
"Where I found my wife much satisfied with my Lord’s discourse and respect to her ..."
I bet she did. Pepys might remember this day years later. (That's my speculation, not a SPOILER.)