How does Sam guesstimate the time throughout the day, I understand that in certain areas urban and built up the time was called on the hour but how does he call it in say rural areas his he guessing?
Thank's for that Sarah, I suppose sometimes we forget to look at this diary and Sams life through the values and mindset of the 17th-century perspective..............
Of the four distinguished men who died after the late action with the Dutch and were buried in Westminster Abbey, the Earl of Marlborough was interred on June 14th, Viscount Muskerry on the 19th, the Earl of Falmouth on the 22nd, and Sir Edward Broughton on the 26th
Interesting to note the dates above and below
Today we remember Professor Stephen Hawking who's Ashes will be interred at Westminister Abbey today 15th June lying alongside Sir Isaac Newton who was 23 at the time of this diary entry 2 great men immortalised forever RIP
Thanks for that Sarah, I only ask because given most of the time Sams world occupied a very small space and within living memory of 1665 just 30 years previous in 1636 there was a large plague outbreak up in Newcastle that wiped out thousands. Also, of course, London had a plague outbreak in 1603 and obviously The black death that ravaged Europe, Asia, and North Africa 1346–1350 that accounted for 75–200 million So it occurs to me that while the majority of the common uneducated people were probably unaware historically of previous outbreaks how aware were the people of Sams elevation/status of just how devasting these outbreaks were did they have the numbers at that time were they known facts
Harman, his wife being ill Interesting I would have thought any sign of any type of illness close by would have them scampering for the hills or Oxford as Charles did. I wonder how common ailments were viewed at that time given the heightened tension with Plague being present were they merely dealt with as they would normally be, or at the slightest sniff or a cough did panic ensue. It reminds me of the Spanish flu pandemic which killed nearly 100 million people in 1918 and 1919 and to a lesser extent the recent Ebola breakouts in Africa and previous to that the Aids epidemic of the early eighties and the amount of scaremongering that went on I would imagine given Sams small world at that time the panic was quite high
So, Sam recognised by Charles, mmm is that a good thing or a bad thing it must be good for Sam's self esteem but it could be a double edged sword, Incognito V Scrutiny
So to my office, where late about drawing up a proposal for Captain Taylor, for him to deliver to the City about his building the new ship, (HMS Loyal London) History of name "London" within the Royal Navy Thirteen ships of the Royal Navy have been named London, after the city of London. Another was named HMS Loyal London (1666): English ship London (1636) was a 40-gun East Indiaman purchased in 1636 and listed until 1653. The London (1656) was a 64-gun second-rate ship launched in 1656 and blown up in an accident in 1665. HMS Loyal London (1666) was a 96-gun second-rate ship launched in 1666. She was partly destroyed by fire by the Dutch in the Medway in 1667, but the remains were rebuilt becoming the next HMS London. HMS London (1670) was a 96-gun first-rate ship launched in 1670 to replace the previous ship of the same name. She was rebuilt in 1706 and 1721, and was broken up in 1747. HMS London (1756) was a 16-gun brigantine launched in 1756 on Lake Ontario and captured by the French the same year. HMS London (1756) was a 6-gun busse, formerly the civilian fisheries vessel Holden. She was purchased in 1756 from the Society for the Free British Fishery and burnt to avoid capture in 1758. HMS London (1759) was a 6-gun busse purchased in 1759 and in the records until 1764. HMS London (1766) was a 90-gun second rate launched in 1766 and broken up in 1811. HMS London was to have been a 104-gun first rate. She was renamed HMS Royal Adelaide in 1827, and launched in 1828. She was sold in 1905. HMS London (1840) was a 92-gun second rate launched in 1840. She was converted to screw propulsion in 1858 and rearmed to 72 guns. She became a harbour storeship in 1874 and was sold in 1884. HMS London (1899) was a Formidable-class battleship launched in 1899. She was converted to a minelayer in 1918 and was sold in 1920. HMS London was a County-class heavy cruiser launched in 1927 and sold in 1950. HMS London was a County-class guided missile destroyer launched in 1961 and transferred to Pakistan in 1982, where she was renamed Babur. HMS London was a Type 22 frigate launched in 1984 and sold to Romania in 2002. They renamed her Regina Maria.
Phil Gyford on 29 Jun 2011 I have belatedly (only more than three years late!) corrected the link to "Lilly" as per Paul Chapin's earlier annotation And I'm replying 7 years later Phil What's 10 years between Pepysians, Given Sam's talking to us from nearly 360 years ago It is but drop in the Thames :)
"Thralldom" Great word I've never come across before, I echo Sasha thank you Robert 2 great entries I'm hoping the little Batters girl found some kind of security and safety in her growing up, Yes our Sam can be very callous and uncaring I think it's what makes his Diary all the more compulsive wart's and all
Don McCahill on 8 Feb 2008 "I was just thinking yesterday that if you could go back in history, and tell Sam how much you enjoyed reading his diaries, he probably would have headed straight home and burned them Ralph notes that he decided later not to destroy the books. I wonder if he would have if he knew how famous they would become. Perhaps he just considered them a way for an old man to recapture his randy youth by rereading them"
Previous annotators have said perhaps he didn't want to destroy the diaries because of his past dalliances I disagree to a degree I think Sam was well aware of the momentous and tumultuous times he lived in I mean look what he witnessed and lived through its truly staggering The Civil wars, The execution of Charles 1st, Cromwells state funeral then public humiliation and execution,The plague of 1665, the Anglo Dutch wars, the Great Fire of London, The restoration of the Monarchy and Charles II's coronation - and some of the key figures of the era, including Sir Christopher Wren and Sir Isaac Newton and lots more, truly a life well lived and of course is description of the Great fire making us feel like we were there hour by hour You could argue that Sam could have cherry picked the events he wanted saving but that would have made the diaries disjointed and disrupted the flow to an extent Yes our Sam was a randy old sod and parts of the diary do not portray him in a good light But I think Sam was well aware of that but also aware of what these diaries would mean to future generations and of course he was right, here we are discussing him and his foibles but also his magnificent writings over 350 years later
Hi guys I haven't posted for awhile I've not been very well . I hope I find you all well ok, this might be off topic and for that I apologise so for all our overseas annotators there's a bit of a buzz here in England at the moment Some of the most famous pieces in King Charles I's art collection are set to be reunited for the first time since the 17th century in an exhibition at the Royal Academy of Arts. Curators from the Queen's Gallery, based at Buckingham Palace, and the Royal Academy, have spent two years travelling Europe to persuade some of its most distinguished galleries to let their art travel back to England. The pieces which are set to return for the exhibition from January until April next year He had been a prolific collector of art, amassing 2,000 pieces including 1,500 paintings and 500 sculptures, dating from the fifteenth to the seventeenth century. But just months after his execution, the King's collection had been scattered across Europe by his successor Cromwell, offered for sale and as diplomatic gifts to foreign states.
Many of the pieces were regained by Charles II following the restoration of the monarchy in 1660, but some of them have never come back to England.
The exhibition will run in tandem with a display of the arts bought and commissioned by Charles II, at the Queen's Gallery, in Buckingham Palace, which will run from December to May.
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About Sunday 9 July 1665
StanB • Link
How does Sam guesstimate the time throughout the day, I understand that in certain areas urban and built up the time was called on the hour but how does he call it in say rural areas his he guessing?
About Tuesday 20 June 1665
StanB • Link
Methinks Terry doth have Ye Worlde Cup on his mind, Sasha...
"Saha"
Louis Saha is a French former professional footballer and a good one at that
About Sunday 11 June 1665
StanB • Link
^^^ woohoo^^^
That was my 100th Annotation since joining this wonderful site
About Sunday 11 June 1665
StanB • Link
Thank's for that Sarah,
I suppose sometimes we forget to look at this diary and Sams life through the values and mindset of the 17th-century perspective..............
About Wednesday 14 June 1665
StanB • Link
Of the four distinguished men who died after the late action with the Dutch and were buried in Westminster Abbey, the Earl of Marlborough was interred on June 14th, Viscount Muskerry on the 19th, the Earl of Falmouth on the 22nd, and Sir Edward Broughton on the 26th
Interesting to note the dates above and below
Today we remember Professor Stephen Hawking who's Ashes will be interred at Westminister Abbey today 15th June lying alongside Sir Isaac Newton who was 23 at the time of this diary entry 2 great men immortalised forever RIP
About Sunday 11 June 1665
StanB • Link
Thanks for that Sarah, I only ask because given most of the time Sams world occupied a very small space and within living memory of 1665 just 30 years previous in 1636 there was a large plague outbreak up in Newcastle that wiped out thousands.
Also, of course, London had a plague outbreak in 1603 and obviously The black death that ravaged Europe, Asia, and North Africa 1346–1350 that accounted for 75–200 million
So it occurs to me that while the majority of the common uneducated people were probably unaware historically of previous outbreaks how aware were the people of Sams elevation/status of just how devasting these outbreaks were did they have the numbers at that time were they known facts
About Sunday 11 June 1665
StanB • Link
Harman, his wife being ill
Interesting I would have thought any sign of any type of illness close by would have them scampering for the hills or Oxford as Charles did.
I wonder how common ailments were viewed at that time given the heightened tension with Plague being present were they merely dealt with as they would normally be, or at the slightest sniff or a cough did panic ensue.
It reminds me of the Spanish flu pandemic which killed nearly 100 million people in 1918 and 1919 and to a lesser extent the recent Ebola breakouts in Africa and previous to that the Aids epidemic of the early eighties and the amount of scaremongering that went on I would imagine given Sams small world at that time the panic was quite high
About Monday 29 May 1665
StanB • Link
Happy 388th Birthday your Majesty.....
About Monday 15 May 1665
StanB • Link
17th Century Pub Crawl ?
About Monday 17 April 1665
StanB • Link
So, Sam recognised by Charles, mmm is that a good thing or a bad thing it must be good for Sam's self esteem but it could be a double edged sword, Incognito V Scrutiny
About Wednesday 29 March 1665
StanB • Link
So to my office, where late about drawing up a proposal for Captain Taylor, for him to deliver to the City about his building the new ship, (HMS Loyal London)
History of name "London" within the Royal Navy
Thirteen ships of the Royal Navy have been named London, after the city of London. Another was named HMS Loyal London (1666):
English ship London (1636) was a 40-gun East Indiaman purchased in 1636 and listed until 1653.
The London (1656) was a 64-gun second-rate ship launched in 1656 and blown up in an accident in 1665.
HMS Loyal London (1666) was a 96-gun second-rate ship launched in 1666. She was partly destroyed by fire by the Dutch in the Medway in 1667, but the remains were rebuilt becoming the next HMS London.
HMS London (1670) was a 96-gun first-rate ship launched in 1670 to replace the previous ship of the same name. She was rebuilt in 1706 and 1721, and was broken up in 1747.
HMS London (1756) was a 16-gun brigantine launched in 1756 on Lake Ontario and captured by the French the same year.
HMS London (1756) was a 6-gun busse, formerly the civilian fisheries vessel Holden. She was purchased in 1756 from the Society for the Free British Fishery and burnt to avoid capture in 1758.
HMS London (1759) was a 6-gun busse purchased in 1759 and in the records until 1764.
HMS London (1766) was a 90-gun second rate launched in 1766 and broken up in 1811.
HMS London was to have been a 104-gun first rate. She was renamed HMS Royal Adelaide in 1827, and launched in 1828. She was sold in 1905.
HMS London (1840) was a 92-gun second rate launched in 1840. She was converted to screw propulsion in 1858 and rearmed to 72 guns. She became a harbour storeship in 1874 and was sold in 1884.
HMS London (1899) was a Formidable-class battleship launched in 1899. She was converted to a minelayer in 1918 and was sold in 1920.
HMS London was a County-class heavy cruiser launched in 1927 and sold in 1950.
HMS London was a County-class guided missile destroyer launched in 1961 and transferred to Pakistan in 1982, where she was renamed Babur.
HMS London was a Type 22 frigate launched in 1984 and sold to Romania in 2002. They renamed her Regina Maria.
About Sunday 12 March 1664/65
StanB • Link
I sat down and read over the Bishop of Chichester’s sermon upon the anniversary of the King’s death
Am I missing something here got this out of context or having a blonde moment wouldn't that be 30th Jan ?
About Thursday 9 March 1664/65
StanB • Link
Phil Gyford on 29 Jun 2011
I have belatedly (only more than three years late!) corrected the link to "Lilly" as per Paul Chapin's earlier annotation
And I'm replying 7 years later Phil
What's 10 years between Pepysians, Given Sam's talking to us from nearly 360 years ago
It is but drop in the Thames :)
About Monday 6 March 1664/65
StanB • Link
"which instead of handsome, as my wife spoke and still seems to reckon, is a very ordinary wench"
Hahaha Sam, you just got burned by Elizabeth she knows you better than you know thyself
About Tuesday 21 February 1664/65
StanB • Link
Great banter there Terry and Sarah
About Thursday 16 February 1664/65
StanB • Link
"Thralldom"
Great word I've never come across before, I echo Sasha thank you Robert 2 great entries
I'm hoping the little Batters girl found some kind of security and safety in her growing up, Yes our Sam can be very callous and uncaring I think it's what makes his Diary all the more compulsive wart's and all
About Tuesday 14 February 1664/65
StanB • Link
Thanks for that Sasha,
That tune is now in my head and suspect it will be all day #Fa la la la la la la
About Tuesday 7 February 1664/65
StanB • Link
Alan
A lot of local Fish and Chip shops sell potato fritters albeit battered and yes Sam would love them
About Tuesday 7 February 1664/65
StanB • Link
Don McCahill on 8 Feb 2008
"I was just thinking yesterday that if you could go back in history, and tell Sam how much you enjoyed reading his diaries, he probably would have headed straight home and burned them Ralph notes that he decided later not to destroy the books. I wonder if he would have if he knew how famous they would become. Perhaps he just considered them a way for an old man to recapture his randy youth by rereading them"
Previous annotators have said perhaps he didn't want to destroy the diaries because of his past dalliances I disagree to a degree
I think Sam was well aware of the momentous and tumultuous times he lived in I mean look what he witnessed and lived through its truly staggering
The Civil wars, The execution of Charles 1st, Cromwells state funeral then public humiliation and execution,The plague of 1665, the Anglo Dutch wars, the Great Fire of London, The restoration of the Monarchy and Charles II's coronation - and some of the key figures of the era, including Sir Christopher Wren and Sir Isaac Newton and lots more, truly a life well lived and of course is description of the Great fire making us feel like we were there hour by hour
You could argue that Sam could have cherry picked the events he wanted saving but that would have made the diaries disjointed and disrupted the flow to an extent
Yes our Sam was a randy old sod and parts of the diary do not portray him in a good light
But I think Sam was well aware of that but also aware of what these diaries would mean to future generations and of course he was right, here we are discussing him and his foibles but also his magnificent writings over 350 years later
About Wednesday 25 January 1664/65
StanB • Link
Hi guys I haven't posted for awhile I've not been very well . I hope I find you all well ok, this might be off topic and for that I apologise so for all our overseas annotators there's a bit of a buzz here in England at the moment
Some of the most famous pieces in King Charles I's art collection are set to be reunited for the first time since the 17th century in an exhibition at the Royal Academy of Arts.
Curators from the Queen's Gallery, based at Buckingham Palace, and the Royal Academy, have spent two years travelling Europe to persuade some of its most distinguished galleries to let their art travel back to England. The pieces which are set to return for the exhibition from January until April next year
He had been a prolific collector of art, amassing 2,000 pieces including 1,500 paintings and 500 sculptures, dating from the fifteenth to the seventeenth century.
But just months after his execution, the King's collection had been scattered across Europe by his successor Cromwell, offered for sale and as diplomatic gifts to foreign states.
Many of the pieces were regained by Charles II following the restoration of the monarchy in 1660, but some of them have never come back to England.
The exhibition will run in tandem with a display of the arts bought and commissioned by Charles II, at the Queen's Gallery, in Buckingham Palace, which will run from December to May.
More here
https://www.standard.co.uk/go/lon…