Woah hang on a min !!!! "and so I rang up my people" Had to do a double take there to see if I was reading it right Haha, a real Twilight Zone moment Would like to wish all Annotators (old and new) a very Happy Easter whoever your God or whatever your Religion maybe
Much has been said of Jonas Shish both here and in the reference section, Interesting fact you may not know though, Evelyn relates that he "used to rise in the night to pray, kneeling in his own coffin, which he had lying by him for many years." Nevertheless, none of these things appear to have prevented Shish from building some of the best ships of that day https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Th… He was certainly an interesting character here was a man who by all accounts was illiterate but went on to become a master shipbuilder held in very high regard
Still bothered by last week's entry when Pepys watched as two 'gallants' (not at all gallant in my vocab) abducted the ribbon seller...
Sarah I to find myself very perturbed by that entry I knew very little of Pepys the man before finding this wonderful page, Even though its been said the 17th century mindset was very different from ours i can see no justification whereby that despicable action can ever be condoned
I was very interested in the annotations put forward from 3rd Feb regarding this incident some very good points put across for and against Sam and the 17th century mindset
"Where great newes of the arrival of two ships, the Greyhound and another" The other ship was the Concord; both were merchantmen of the Levant Company
The Levant Company, at the time of today's entry the Governor of the company was Sir Andrew Riccard (1604 – 6 September 1672)
Riccard became an Alderman of the City of London and was Sheriff of London in 1651. He was at various times Governor of the East India Company and of the Turkey Company. In 1654 he was elected Member of Parliament for City of London in the First Protectorate Parliament. Following the Restoration, he was knighted by Charles II on 10 July 1660
Riccard died at the age of 68 and a Monument including a full size statue was erected at the church of St Olave's after his death by members of the Turkey Company
His second wife Susanna who survived him was buried 17 Mar 1686 at St Olave's.
I wonder if Sam knew him personally given the St Olave connection i imagine they moved in the same circles
"... against the opinion of my Lord Treasurer and his Council, ..." The Privy Council, I guess. Anyone know who was on that Council?
Sarah, As you will know when elected to the Privy Council it was for life unless you were expelled or a Monarch died, Records are quite difficult to locate since the reorganisation in 1679, However i have managed to find the minutes from a case heard on November 20th 1663 against a one John Furly who was a Quaker So he was summoned before the Board Present there were King Charles The Duke of York Prince Rupert The Archbishop of Canterbury The Lord Chancellor The Earl of Bath The Earl of Lauderdale Lord Wentworth Also in Attendance and the bit that may interest you were The Lord Privy Seal The Duke of Albemarle The Lord Chamberlain The Marquis of Dorchester The Earl of Berkshire The Earl of St Albans Lord Ashley Mr Treasurer Mr Vice Chamberlain Mr Secretary Morrice Mr Secretary Bennet Sir Edward Nicolas Sir Richard Fanshawe Furlys case got quite complicated but the upshot was he was sent to Newgate Prison
Edward Grove served in the Restoration navy. In 1661, the Duke of York appointed him to command the Merlin. In 1663, the Duke appointed him to command the Martin. In 1664, the Duke appointed him to command the Success. In May 1665, Edward Grove had been part of an group of ships sent to Norway to attempt to intercept a Dutch naval stores convoy. On they way back, they had put into Lowestoft. When gunfire was heard, three of the ships set sail for the battle. Edward Grove did not, and he was courtmartialed. They had found that he was "dead drunk" at the time. He was dismissed from the service by the courtmartial.
Apologies for my spelling of Jonson/Johnson, Terry it was the Wood St, Mitre that I was alluding to but as you mention there was a lot of duplication regarding hostelries at that time
Gresham College, Wow what history that place holds, Pepys visited here in 1666 and witnessed one of the very first Blood Transfusions albeit on Canines, he does make mention of this in the Diary.
I picture Sam sat by his fire eagerly scribbling away at his journal in the wee small hours not a sound in the house not even a ticking clock , Just Sam and his very private thoughts never knowing 353 years later here we would all be musing over his musings
Did the Pepys household have a house clock do we know ?
Words and there derivation are strange animals , a good case in point is a word from today's entry Comptroller when i see this word it always conjures to me 20th Century and i don't think its because it has the Comp (Computer) in it , the name is often pronounced identically to "controller" despite the distinct spelling . Other uses of Comp in a word never affect me the way this word does ie: Companion , Compact , Complete , The term comptroller evolved in the 15th century through a blend of the French compte ("an account") and the Middle English countreroller
Or perhaps it's just me that feels this word sounds more modern than it actually is haha
Kings Charles I and II had luxurious outfits specially made to play tennis in, Charles I wore a close-fitting jacket with open seams and Charles II had a linen fabric outfit References to the elegant garments were discovered in royal archives by the University of Southampton's Professor Maria Hayward Read more on this here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-engl…
Sarahs excellent research got me to thinking what became of the Royalist Widows? how were they treated regarding the actions of there husbands so i did a bit of digging myself . In July 1645, a few months before Charles I surrendered to the Scots at Newark and brought the first Civil War to a close, Elizabeth Warner sent a petition to the Parliamentary Committee for Compounding with Delinquents. This committee had been set up to manage the confiscated estates of Royalists and to allow them to regain their estates for a fine. Elizabeth’s offence was that she had been discovered to have been sending letters to the wife of Colonel Thomas Blagge who was then governor at Wallingford House: a garrison being held for the King
Elizabeth asserted in her petitions that the letters were sent to "her antient & intimate friend" and that "there past no thing but Civill Complem[en]ts" in them. Despite this, she was suspected for a Royalist and her estate was seized by the sequestrators. In the final part of her petition she wrote she ‘submissively begs’ that ‘she may be freed of this Brand’ Elizabeth was just one of many widows who were ‘branded’ with delinquency because of their own actions or the actions of their husbands. They used the petition in order to lobby Parliament for the return of their lands
The majority of the business of the Committee for Compounding with Delinquents was dealing with men who had fought for the King. They too sent in their petitions to the Committee in order to be able to pay a fine to regain their estates
In contrast, when women petitioned the Committee several did boldly stress that they were not delinquents. Assertions of poverty and being a ‘poor distressed widow’ were commonplace in these petitions Parliament had ordered that estates worth less than £200 a year were to be discharged without a fine
However, it was not just widows who might be materially described as poor who invoked this sort of narrative. For example, Lady Elinor Hastings begged the Committee ‘to grant reliefe to her and her three small children which absolutely must starve’ as she had ‘not a penny to buy them breade and being altogether unable to mayntayne them'
Language of starvation and famine, irrespective of class, was also used in descriptions of war widows in print. A Civil War pamphlet described war widows at the gates of Westminster as ‘suffered to starve for want of bread’ Claiming poverty was not the only tactic used by widows who had been deemed to be delinquent. Many of these women were submitting petitions because their husbands had fought for the King and subsequently died in that service. Therefore, their inheritance had been placed in the hands of Parliament. Some women were indignant that the actions of their husbands had somehow tarnished their own reputations.
It seems that Royalist Widows often used the tactic of denying the same belief in the Royalist Cause that there Husbands had and as such should not be penalised
I'm sure our former annotators (Apart from Terry F) as far as i can see are no longer contributing to the Diary 2016 if they are i apologise. I would just like to comment on the "Grumpy" Post regarding Robert G's fanciful unique and often very colourful posts. They are not for me, but that said i think i can speak for our former annotators with some certainty in saying that they did enjoy them, And has was suggested by a previous annotator if you don't like em don't read em!! and even though they are "not for me"I felt they added to the page if that was/is your bag and were very cleverly written. Perhaps Terry F or Phil G could pass on to Robert G that 10 years on his unique posts are still evoking conversation, and to Grumpy if your still out there i say Merry Xmas and bah Humbug !!!!!
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About Saturday 30 April 1664
StanB • Link
The Royal Katherine image and full history
http://collections.rmg.co.uk/coll…
About Wednesday 13 April 1664
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Woah hang on a min !!!!
"and so I rang up my people"
Had to do a double take there to see if I was reading it right Haha, a real Twilight Zone moment
Would like to wish all Annotators (old and new) a very Happy Easter whoever your God or whatever your Religion maybe
About Friday 4 March 1663/64
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Much has been said of Jonas Shish both here and in the reference section, Interesting fact you may not know though,
Evelyn relates that he "used to rise in the night to pray, kneeling in his own coffin, which he had lying by him for many years." Nevertheless, none of these things appear to have prevented Shish from building some of the best ships of that day
https://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Th…
He was certainly an interesting character here was a man who by all accounts was illiterate but went on to become a master shipbuilder held in very high regard
About Tuesday 16 February 1663/64
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Still bothered by last week's entry when Pepys watched as two 'gallants' (not at all gallant in my vocab) abducted the ribbon seller...
Sarah I to find myself very perturbed by that entry I knew very little of Pepys the man before finding this wonderful page, Even though its been said the 17th century mindset was very different from ours i can see no justification whereby that despicable action can ever be condoned
I was very interested in the annotations put forward from 3rd Feb regarding this incident some very good points put across for and against Sam and the 17th century mindset
However......
I still struggle with it
Apologies for digressing from today's entry guys
About Monday 15 February 1663/64
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"Where great newes of the arrival of two ships, the Greyhound and another"
The other ship was the Concord; both were merchantmen of the Levant Company
The Levant Company, at the time of today's entry the Governor of the company was Sir Andrew Riccard (1604 – 6 September 1672)
Riccard became an Alderman of the City of London and was Sheriff of London in 1651. He was at various times Governor of the East India Company and of the Turkey Company. In 1654 he was elected Member of Parliament for City of London in the First Protectorate Parliament. Following the Restoration, he was knighted by Charles II on 10 July 1660
Riccard died at the age of 68 and a Monument including a full size statue was erected at the church of St Olave's after his death by members of the Turkey Company
His second wife Susanna who survived him was buried 17 Mar 1686 at St Olave's.
I wonder if Sam knew him personally given the St Olave connection i imagine they moved in the same circles
About Monday 8 February 1663/64
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"... against the opinion of my Lord Treasurer and his Council, ..."
The Privy Council, I guess. Anyone know who was on that Council?
Sarah, As you will know when elected to the Privy Council it was for life unless you were expelled or a Monarch died, Records are quite difficult to locate since the reorganisation in 1679, However i have managed to find the minutes from a case heard on November 20th 1663 against a one John Furly who was a Quaker
So he was summoned before the Board
Present there were
King Charles
The Duke of York
Prince Rupert
The Archbishop of Canterbury
The Lord Chancellor
The Earl of Bath
The Earl of Lauderdale
Lord Wentworth
Also in Attendance and the bit that may interest you were
The Lord Privy Seal
The Duke of Albemarle
The Lord Chamberlain
The Marquis of Dorchester
The Earl of Berkshire
The Earl of St Albans
Lord Ashley
Mr Treasurer
Mr Vice Chamberlain
Mr Secretary Morrice
Mr Secretary Bennet
Sir Edward Nicolas
Sir Richard Fanshawe
Furlys case got quite complicated but the upshot was he was sent to Newgate Prison
Hope this helps
About Thursday 4 February 1663/64
StanB • Link
Edward Grove served in the Restoration navy.
In 1661, the Duke of York appointed him to command the Merlin.
In 1663, the Duke appointed him to command the Martin.
In 1664, the Duke appointed him to command the Success.
In May 1665, Edward Grove had been part of an group of ships sent to Norway
to attempt to intercept a Dutch naval stores convoy.
On they way back, they had put into Lowestoft.
When gunfire was heard, three of the ships set sail for the battle.
Edward Grove did not, and he was courtmartialed.
They had found that he was "dead drunk" at the time. He was dismissed from the service by the courtmartial.
About Wednesday 3 February 1663/64
StanB • Link
Apologies for my spelling of Jonson/Johnson, Terry it was the Wood St, Mitre that I was alluding to but as you mention there was a lot of duplication regarding hostelries at that time
About Monday 1 February 1663/64
StanB • Link
Your welcome Jonathan glad you enjoyed the link
About Wednesday 3 February 1663/64
StanB • Link
'and so to the Mitre Taverne by appointment'
The Mitre frequented by Ben Johnson and mentioned in his play 'Bartholomew Fair'
'A Pox o’ these Pretenders to Wit! Your Three Cranes, Miter and Mermaid men! Not a Corn of true Salt, not a Grain of right Mustard amongst them all'
It was first staged on 31 October 1614 at the Hope Theatre by the Lady Elizabeth's Men Company
Perhaps Johnsons love of visiting various London Taverns/Coffee Houses was only slightly eclipsed by Pepys
About Monday 1 February 1663/64
StanB • Link
Gresham College, Wow what history that place holds,
Pepys visited here in 1666 and witnessed one of the very first Blood Transfusions albeit on Canines, he does make mention of this in the Diary.
From Elizabeth 1st to Elizabeth the 2nd its all here more info follow this link https://www.gresham.ac.uk/about/h…
About Sunday 31 January 1663/64
StanB • Link
And of course lets not forget it was the burning of Tally Sticks 16 October 1834 that did what Catesby,Fawkes and co failed to do in 1605 !!!
About Thursday 31 December 1663
StanB • Link
I picture Sam sat by his fire eagerly scribbling away at his journal in the wee small hours not a sound in the house not even a ticking clock , Just Sam and his very private thoughts never knowing 353 years later here we would all be musing over his musings
Did the Pepys household have a house clock do we know ?
About Tuesday 29 December 1663
StanB • Link
Words and there derivation are strange animals , a good case in point is a word from today's entry Comptroller when i see this word it always conjures to me 20th Century and i don't think its because it has the Comp (Computer) in it , the name is often pronounced identically to "controller" despite the distinct spelling .
Other uses of Comp in a word never affect me the way this word does ie: Companion , Compact , Complete , The term comptroller evolved in the 15th century through a blend of the French compte ("an account") and the Middle English countreroller
Or perhaps it's just me that feels this word sounds more modern than it actually is haha
Anyhow Happy New Year everyone
About Monday 28 December 1663
StanB • Link
Your welcome Jonathan V and Happy New Year mate
About Monday 28 December 1663
StanB • Link
Kings Charles I and II had luxurious outfits specially made to play tennis in, Charles I wore a close-fitting jacket with open seams and Charles II had a linen fabric outfit
References to the elegant garments were discovered in royal archives by the University of Southampton's Professor Maria Hayward
Read more on this here
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-engl…
About Thursday 24 December 1663
StanB • Link
Would like to wish Annotators past and present a very Merry Xmas and a Happy New Year, I wish you all that you wish for yourselves,
Here's to 1664
About Thursday 17 December 1663
StanB • Link
Sarahs excellent research got me to thinking what became of the Royalist Widows? how were they treated regarding the actions of there husbands so i did a bit of digging myself . In July 1645, a few months before Charles I surrendered to the Scots at Newark and brought the first Civil War to a close, Elizabeth Warner sent a petition to the Parliamentary Committee for Compounding with Delinquents. This committee had been set up to manage the confiscated estates of Royalists and to allow them to regain their estates for a fine. Elizabeth’s offence was that she had been discovered to have been sending letters to the wife of Colonel Thomas Blagge who was then governor at Wallingford House: a garrison being held for the King
Elizabeth asserted in her petitions that the letters were sent to "her antient & intimate friend" and that "there past no thing but Civill Complem[en]ts" in them. Despite this, she was suspected for a Royalist and her estate was seized by the sequestrators. In the final part of her petition she wrote she ‘submissively begs’ that ‘she may be freed of this Brand’ Elizabeth was just one of many widows who were ‘branded’ with delinquency because of their own actions or the actions of their husbands. They used the petition in order to lobby Parliament for the return of their lands
The majority of the business of the Committee for Compounding with Delinquents was dealing with men who had fought for the King. They too sent in their petitions to the Committee in order to be able to pay a fine to regain their estates
In contrast, when women petitioned the Committee several did boldly stress that they were not delinquents. Assertions of poverty and being a ‘poor distressed widow’ were commonplace in these petitions Parliament had ordered that estates worth less than £200 a year were to be discharged without a fine
However, it was not just widows who might be materially described as poor who invoked this sort of narrative. For example, Lady Elinor Hastings begged the Committee ‘to grant reliefe to her and her three small children which absolutely must starve’ as she had ‘not a penny to buy them breade and being altogether unable to mayntayne them'
Language of starvation and famine, irrespective of class, was also used in descriptions of war widows in print. A Civil War pamphlet described war widows at the gates of Westminster as ‘suffered to starve for want of bread’ Claiming poverty was not the only tactic used by widows who had been deemed to be delinquent. Many of these women were submitting petitions because their husbands had fought for the King and subsequently died in that service. Therefore, their inheritance had been placed in the hands of Parliament. Some women were indignant that the actions of their husbands had somehow tarnished their own reputations.
It seems that Royalist Widows often used the tactic of denying the same belief in the Royalist Cause that there Husbands had and as such should not be penalised
About Thursday 10 December 1663
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Cheers Bill thanks for that
About Thursday 10 December 1663
StanB • Link
I'm sure our former annotators (Apart from Terry F) as far as i can see are no longer contributing to the Diary 2016 if they are i apologise.
I would just like to comment on the "Grumpy" Post regarding Robert G's fanciful unique and often very colourful posts. They are not for me, but that said i think i can speak for our former annotators with some certainty in saying that they did enjoy them,
And has was suggested by a previous annotator if you don't like em don't read em!! and even though they are "not for me"I felt they added to the page if that was/is your bag and were very cleverly written. Perhaps Terry F or Phil G could pass on to Robert G that 10 years on his unique posts are still evoking conversation, and to Grumpy if your still out there i say Merry Xmas and bah Humbug !!!!!