"Up and in Sir J. Minnes’ coach (alone with Mrs. Turner as far as Paternoster Row, where I set her down) ..."
I had assumed Pepys never left home without Tom Edwards, and Mrs. Turner would be too gentile to go out without her girl, companion, or escort. But Pepys specifies "alone" like we should be proud of him for not propositioning her.
Terry's theory that this reveals Pepys' envy of coach owners is plausible, but I've never seen him confess he wants one to his diary, and I suspect he'd rather have the money than the responsibility at this point. There's no reason to mention Mrs. Turner going to Paternoster Row unless he's counting favors or something, as she didn't represent a step on social climbing ladder. Odd all round. As usual, we will never know.
Nicola Mercer of St. Olave’s parish was probably a widow by 1664. She lived on the north side of Crutched Friars (in French Ordinary Court), where Will Hewer lodged with her. So for Will to be there was no surprise to Sam. Maybe Will left the office "early" which upset Pepys?
I wonder if Elizabeth is still upset about being hit for bad service at the dinner a couple of weeks ago. There have been a few examples of passive resistance by her since then, and Pepys has made no mention of her remembering their anniversary or his apologizing. They are on the outs.
"Thence I to him [SANDWICH], and finding him at my Lord Crew’s, I went with him home to his house and much kind discourse."
A wealthy man, John, Baron Crew of Stene bought a large house in Lincoln's Inn Fields during the 1650s.
Wednesday 20 January 1664 "Up and by coach to my Lord Sandwich’s, ... My Lord did also seal a lease for the house he is now taking in Lincoln’s Inn Fields, which stands him in 250 per annum rent." The house is now nos 57-8, Lincoln's Inn Fields (built c. 1640; rebuilt c. 1710). http://www.british-history.ac.uk/…... For comparison, Chancellor Edward Hyde, Earl of Clarendon paid £400 p.a. in rent for Worcester House; Sir George Carteret's official residence in Broad Street cost £70 p.a.; the Navy Commissioners, displaced from their official residences in 1674 and 1686, were each allowed £80 p.a. (L&M)
So Lord Crew and Sandwich lived in mansions close to each other.
"I saw Sir J. Lawson since his return from sea [the Mediterranean] first this morning, and hear that my Lord Sandwich is come from Portsmouth."
I suspect Charles II, James, Duke of York and the Privy Council will meet with them to discuss what to do now the Dutch are having fun unopposed off the Guinea coast. The weather is about to turn nasty, so they just may wait until next Spring, guarding all the new ships and training their new impressed seamen.
"... went early home to bed, my wife not being come home from my Lady Jemimah, with whom she hath been at a play and at Court to-day."
So Elizabeth has gone to a play with Lady Jem. Now that there's 1,000 pounds in the basement, all vows are off for Elizabeth?
And at Court ... it's after dark and she's not home yet??!! I don't recall Elizabeth going to Court before, besides two Christmases ago when she and Sam slept in Sandwich's bed at Whitehall. I'm surprised Sam's not calling out the guard. And what did she wear? The velvet with lacings? Mary Mercer must be with her, but she's only 17 -- almost the same age as Lady Jem.
This all sounds way too casual for Pepys. Is he guilty about something, or planning to do something? Or just to tired to care? We shall see ...
John Evelyn's Diary for the 15th ... "Dined at the Lord Chancellor's, where was the Duke of Ormond, Earl of Cork, and Bishop of Winchester. After dinner, my Lord Chancellor and his lady carried me in their coach to see their palace1 (for he now lived at Worcester House in the Strand), building at the upper end of St. James's-street, and to project the garden."
My guess is that they had lunch at Hyde's office/apartment at Whitehall or at his house in Piccadilly. Then they took a coach to where Hyde was living, Worcester House, the Strand.
In July 1664 Chancellor Edward Hyde, Earl of Clarendon lived at Worcester House in the Strand. (L&M footnote)
James Butler, Duke of Ormonde
Richard Boyle, 2nd Earl of Cork, assisted an impecunious Charles II with sums of money in recognition of which he was, in 1663, created Earl of Burlington (English Peerage). Presently, a great town house — Burlington House in Piccadilly — was being built, next door to the Lord Chancellor's.
In 1662, Bishop George Morley was translated to the See of Winchester.
"His lady" -- Frances Aylesbury Hyde, Countess of Clarendon (25 August 1617 – 8 August 1667) was the mother of Anne Hyde, mother-in-law to James II, and grandmother to Mary II and Queen Anne. The translator William Aylesbury was her brother. On 10 July 1634 Frances Aylesbury had became the second wife of Edward Hyde.
The Fanshawe book is one that doesn't work in this format apparently. So I am posting the link in two halves, and you can copy and combine in your browser.
Don't know how to get around this any other way. Or you can search for it on Gutenberg:
http://www.gutenberg.org/ catalog/world/readfile?fk_files=1461929 (I put the break in the same place so it prints out clearly for you): MEMOIRS OF LADY FANSHAWE WIFE OF SIR RICHARD FANSHAWE, BT. AMBASSADOR FROM CHARLES II TO THE COURTS OF PORTUGAL & MADRID WRITTEN BY HERSELF CONTAINING EXTRACTS FROM THE CORRESPONDENCE OF SIR RICHARD FANSHAWE (EDITED) WITH AN INTRODUCTION BY BEATRICE MARSHALL
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1… -- Journal of Sir Thomas Allin 27 Sept 1664 - Cadiz "... we sat to consult our departure and considering by all circumstances that de Ruyter's fleet was gone to Guinea we desired Sir John Lawson to write the same to his Royal Highness and send it by express to my Lord Fanshaw for him to send it forward, writing the same to him, that de Ruyter had taken 300 butts of wine and beverage, great quantity of oil, bread and flesh, and pretended that he was gone to make peace at Salee."
Lawson got to Portsmouth in 15 days, with a request for further instructions from James, Duke of York.
According to the memoirs of Lady Anne Harrison Fanshawe, Ambassador Sir Richard Fanshawe returned to Madrid early in March 1664. There is no mention of him going anywhere before 17 December 1665, when he signed a treaty with the Spanish minister, but Charles II refused to ratify it ... http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/…
"There were no complaints, however, because everybody expected a rich booty at the expense of the English West India Company ..."
I have never heard of this company before. Google is no help, and nor is our encyclopedia, so is this an error and refers to the Honorable East India Company? There's a Danish West India Company. The West Indies would presumably mean the Americas.
Sunday 25 September 1664 (Lord’s day). "It seems Will has got a fall off his horse and broke his face."
Presumably Will Joyce lost some work time recovering from this. Falling off your horse is something drunks do. I think you're better off without him, Sam. However, it brings home Sam's lack of available male friends ... with Creed presumably running errands for Sandwich, he has no one.
"But Sir W. Batten do raffle still against Mr. Turner and his wife, telling me he is a false fellow, and his wife a false woman, and has rotten teeth and false, set in with wire, and as I know they are so, so I am glad he finds it so."
Sounds more modern that George Washington's wooden set.
This wonderful post ignores what we know about the cellars. Since the original building was altered into housing, it is likely the cellars had communal aspects. We know that the Turners were more than neighbors ... their "house of office" emptied into Pepys' part of the cellars.
Cf. http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1… : 'This morning one came to me to advise with me where to make me a window into my cellar in lieu of one that Sir W. Batten had stopped up; and going down my cellar to look, I put my foot into a great heap of turds, by which I find that Mr. Turner's house of office is full and comes into my cellar, which doth trouble me; but I will have it helped.'
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1… L&M transcribe the mess being transported in the dark from the cellar: "This night, Mr. Turner's house [of office] being to be emptied out of my cellar, and therefore I think to sit up a little longer than ordinary. ... I called late for some victuals, and so to bed, leaving the men below in the cellar emptying the turds up through Mr. Turner's own house; and so, with more content, to bed late."
It's likely you could go from one subterranean area to another only by opening up the insert walls. Doors, walls, stairs or fixtures would be added or deleted as needed. Only in the abundant wealth of modern era does one tear down the existing structure to make the new ideal arrangements based on ergonomic and practical uses and requirements. Structures like the Palace of Whitehall were really just a collection of dilapidated buildings constantly altered to meet current needs.
Pepys' basement probably included a cellar for his coals (which he purchases once a year), a cellar which could be locked where he kept his collection of gifts from satisfied clients and his best imported wines, a root cellar to keep turnips and potatoes, and then there was a designated cellar or area with pipes coming down from the houses of office in the upper regions into a barrel for the collection of nite soil.
"... he told me how Sir J. Minnes by the means of Sir R. Ford was the last night brought to his house and did discover the reason of his so long discontent with him, and now they are friends again, which I am sorry for, but he told it me so plainly that I see there is no thorough understanding between them, nor love, and so I hope there will be no great combination in any thing, nor do I see Sir J. Minnes very fond as he used to be."
So Sir Richard Ford and Sir John Mennes had a heart-to-heart last night for old times' sake, and ironed out a long-held discontent. Pepys thinks that although this rift is healed, neither of them is interested in being BFFs again, so he doesn't need to worry about his close working relationship with Ford.
I've poked around and have no idea what the long discontent was about. Anyone have any ideas?
And maybe Elizabeth was aware of his leaving her at the Church yesterday afternoon so he could trail after a pretty wench all over Tower Hill, so she had to take herself to Aunt and Uncle Wrights because there was no knowing when he would come home. Bess had a lot of reasons not to want a romantic anniversary. And Sam now has young Tom Edwards with him at all times, so stories may be coming up the back stairs ...? We shall see ...
In Pepys' defense, Elizabeth yesterday declared today as Wash Day -- and we know what that means. If she wanted a romantic anniversary dinner, she would have organized things differently. I suspect she's still sulking about getting a pow in the kisser the other day for bad service at their dinner party.
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About Monday 24 October 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"Up and in Sir J. Minnes’ coach (alone with Mrs. Turner as far as Paternoster Row, where I set her down) ..."
I had assumed Pepys never left home without Tom Edwards, and Mrs. Turner would be too gentile to go out without her girl, companion, or escort. But Pepys specifies "alone" like we should be proud of him for not propositioning her.
Terry's theory that this reveals Pepys' envy of coach owners is plausible, but I've never seen him confess he wants one to his diary, and I suspect he'd rather have the money than the responsibility at this point. There's no reason to mention Mrs. Turner going to Paternoster Row unless he's counting favors or something, as she didn't represent a step on social climbing ladder. Odd all round. As usual, we will never know.
About Sunday 23 October 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
Elizabeth must be giving him the silent treatment. Better apologize for hitting her, and then forgetting your anniversary.
About Wednesday 19 October 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
Nicola Mercer of St. Olave’s parish was probably a widow by 1664. She lived on the north side of Crutched Friars (in French Ordinary Court), where Will Hewer lodged with her. So for Will to be there was no surprise to Sam. Maybe Will left the office "early" which upset Pepys?
About Wednesday 19 October 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
I wonder if Elizabeth is still upset about being hit for bad service at the dinner a couple of weeks ago. There have been a few examples of passive resistance by her since then, and Pepys has made no mention of her remembering their anniversary or his apologizing. They are on the outs.
About Monday 17 October 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"Thence I to him [SANDWICH], and finding him at my Lord Crew’s, I went with him home to his house and much kind discourse."
A wealthy man, John, Baron Crew of Stene bought a large house in Lincoln's Inn Fields during the 1650s.
Wednesday 20 January 1664 "Up and by coach to my Lord Sandwich’s, ... My Lord did also seal a lease for the house he is now taking in Lincoln’s Inn Fields, which stands him in 250 per annum rent." The house is now nos 57-8, Lincoln's Inn Fields (built c. 1640; rebuilt c. 1710). http://www.british-history.ac.uk/…... For comparison, Chancellor Edward Hyde, Earl of Clarendon paid £400 p.a. in rent for Worcester House; Sir George Carteret's official residence in Broad Street cost £70 p.a.; the Navy Commissioners, displaced from their official residences in 1674 and 1686, were each allowed £80 p.a. (L&M)
So Lord Crew and Sandwich lived in mansions close to each other.
About Tuesday 4 October 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
I think he's being playful. Since no one else was supposed to read the Diary, there's no point in rudeness, is there?
About Monday 17 October 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"I saw Sir J. Lawson since his return from sea [the Mediterranean] first this morning, and hear that my Lord Sandwich is come from Portsmouth."
I suspect Charles II, James, Duke of York and the Privy Council will meet with them to discuss what to do now the Dutch are having fun unopposed off the Guinea coast. The weather is about to turn nasty, so they just may wait until next Spring, guarding all the new ships and training their new impressed seamen.
About Monday 17 October 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"... went early home to bed, my wife not being come home from my Lady Jemimah, with whom she hath been at a play and at Court to-day."
So Elizabeth has gone to a play with Lady Jem. Now that there's 1,000 pounds in the basement, all vows are off for Elizabeth?
And at Court ... it's after dark and she's not home yet??!! I don't recall Elizabeth going to Court before, besides two Christmases ago when she and Sam slept in Sandwich's bed at Whitehall. I'm surprised Sam's not calling out the guard. And what did she wear? The velvet with lacings? Mary Mercer must be with her, but she's only 17 -- almost the same age as Lady Jem.
This all sounds way too casual for Pepys. Is he guilty about something, or planning to do something? Or just to tired to care? We shall see ...
About Saturday 15 October 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
John Evelyn's Diary for the 15th ... "Dined at the Lord Chancellor's, where was the Duke of Ormond, Earl of Cork, and Bishop of Winchester. After dinner, my Lord Chancellor and his lady carried me in their coach to see their palace1 (for he now lived at Worcester House in the Strand), building at the upper end of St. James's-street, and to project the garden."
My guess is that they had lunch at Hyde's office/apartment at Whitehall or at his house in Piccadilly. Then they took a coach to where Hyde was living, Worcester House, the Strand.
In July 1664 Chancellor Edward Hyde, Earl of Clarendon lived at Worcester House in the Strand. (L&M footnote)
James Butler, Duke of Ormonde
Richard Boyle, 2nd Earl of Cork, assisted an impecunious Charles II with sums of money in recognition of which he was, in 1663, created Earl of Burlington (English Peerage). Presently, a great town house — Burlington House in Piccadilly — was being built, next door to the Lord Chancellor's.
In 1662, Bishop George Morley was translated to the See of Winchester.
"His lady" -- Frances Aylesbury Hyde, Countess of Clarendon (25 August 1617 – 8 August 1667) was the mother of Anne Hyde, mother-in-law to James II, and grandmother to Mary II and Queen Anne. The translator William Aylesbury was her brother. On 10 July 1634 Frances Aylesbury had became the second wife of Edward Hyde.
About Monday 15 August 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
Well done, Steve. I think you interpreted Sam's allusions correctly.
About Swan (Welwyn, Hertfordshire)
San Diego Sarah • Link
Not so enthusiastic on Thursday 13 October 1664:
"But very bad accommodation at the Swan."
About Wednesday 12 October 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
The Fanshawe book is one that doesn't work in this format apparently. So I am posting the link in two halves, and you can copy and combine in your browser.
http://www.gutenberg.org/
catalog/world/readfile?fk_files=1461929
Don't know how to get around this any other way. Or you can search for it on Gutenberg:
http://www.gutenberg.org/ catalog/world/readfile?fk_files=1461929 (I put the break in the same place so it prints out clearly for you):
MEMOIRS OF LADY FANSHAWE
WIFE OF SIR RICHARD FANSHAWE, BT.
AMBASSADOR FROM CHARLES II TO THE COURTS OF PORTUGAL & MADRID
WRITTEN BY HERSELF CONTAINING EXTRACTS FROM THE CORRESPONDENCE OF SIR RICHARD FANSHAWE (EDITED)
WITH AN INTRODUCTION BY BEATRICE MARSHALL
About Wednesday 12 October 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"Sir J. Lawson is come to Portsmouth."
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1… -- Journal of Sir Thomas Allin 27 Sept 1664 - Cadiz "... we sat to consult our departure and considering by all circumstances that de Ruyter's fleet was gone to Guinea we desired Sir John Lawson to write the same to his Royal Highness and send it by express to my Lord Fanshaw for him to send it forward, writing the same to him, that de Ruyter had taken 300 butts of wine and beverage, great quantity of oil, bread and flesh, and pretended that he was gone to make peace at Salee."
Lawson got to Portsmouth in 15 days, with a request for further instructions from James, Duke of York.
According to the memoirs of Lady Anne Harrison Fanshawe, Ambassador Sir Richard Fanshawe returned to Madrid early in March 1664. There is no mention of him going anywhere before 17 December 1665, when he signed a treaty with the Spanish minister, but Charles II refused to ratify it ... http://www.gutenberg.org/catalog/…
About Tuesday 27 September 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"There were no complaints, however, because everybody expected a rich booty at the expense of the English West India Company ..."
I have never heard of this company before. Google is no help, and nor is our encyclopedia, so is this an error and refers to the Honorable East India Company? There's a Danish West India Company. The West Indies would presumably mean the Americas.
About Tuesday 11 October 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
Are you surprised Will Joyce won't ride to Brampton with you? Two weeks ago:
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
Sunday 25 September 1664 (Lord’s day). "It seems Will has got a fall off his horse and broke his face."
Presumably Will Joyce lost some work time recovering from this. Falling off your horse is something drunks do. I think you're better off without him, Sam. However, it brings home Sam's lack of available male friends ... with Creed presumably running errands for Sandwich, he has no one.
About Elizabeth Turner
San Diego Sarah • Link
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
Monday 10 October 1664
"But Sir W. Batten do raffle still against Mr. Turner and his wife, telling me he is a false fellow, and his wife a false woman, and has rotten teeth and false, set in with wire, and as I know they are so, so I am glad he finds it so."
Sounds more modern that George Washington's wooden set.
About At home with Mr and Mrs Pepys
San Diego Sarah • Link
This wonderful post ignores what we know about the cellars. Since the original building was altered into housing, it is likely the cellars had communal aspects. We know that the Turners were more than neighbors ... their "house of office" emptied into Pepys' part of the cellars.
Cf. http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1… : 'This morning one came to me to advise with me where to make me a window into my cellar in lieu of one that Sir W. Batten had stopped up; and going down my cellar to look, I put my foot into a great heap of turds, by which I find that Mr. Turner's house of office is full and comes into my cellar, which doth trouble me; but I will have it helped.'
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
L&M transcribe the mess being transported in the dark from the cellar: "This night, Mr. Turner's house [of office] being to be emptied out of my cellar, and therefore I think to sit up a little longer than ordinary. ... I called late for some victuals, and so to bed, leaving the men below in the cellar emptying the turds up through Mr. Turner's own house; and so, with more content, to bed late."
It's likely you could go from one subterranean area to another only by opening up the insert walls. Doors, walls, stairs or fixtures would be added or deleted as needed. Only in the abundant wealth of modern era does one tear down the existing structure to make the new ideal arrangements based on ergonomic and practical uses and requirements. Structures like the Palace of Whitehall were really just a collection of dilapidated buildings constantly altered to meet current needs.
Pepys' basement probably included a cellar for his coals (which he purchases once a year), a cellar which could be locked where he kept his collection of gifts from satisfied clients and his best imported wines, a root cellar to keep turnips and potatoes, and then there was a designated cellar or area with pipes coming down from the houses of office in the upper regions into a barrel for the collection of nite soil.
About Monday 10 October 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"... he told me how Sir J. Minnes by the means of Sir R. Ford was the last night brought to his house and did discover the reason of his so long discontent with him, and now they are friends again, which I am sorry for, but he told it me so plainly that I see there is no thorough understanding between them, nor love, and so I hope there will be no great combination in any thing, nor do I see Sir J. Minnes very fond as he used to be."
So Sir Richard Ford and Sir John Mennes had a heart-to-heart last night for old times' sake, and ironed out a long-held discontent. Pepys thinks that although this rift is healed, neither of them is interested in being BFFs again, so he doesn't need to worry about his close working relationship with Ford.
I've poked around and have no idea what the long discontent was about. Anyone have any ideas?
About Monday 10 October 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
And maybe Elizabeth was aware of his leaving her at the Church yesterday afternoon so he could trail after a pretty wench all over Tower Hill, so she had to take herself to Aunt and Uncle Wrights because there was no knowing when he would come home. Bess had a lot of reasons not to want a romantic anniversary. And Sam now has young Tom Edwards with him at all times, so stories may be coming up the back stairs ...? We shall see ...
About Monday 10 October 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
In Pepys' defense, Elizabeth yesterday declared today as Wash Day -- and we know what that means. If she wanted a romantic anniversary dinner, she would have organized things differently. I suspect she's still sulking about getting a pow in the kisser the other day for bad service at their dinner party.