"Now, he has the chance to shove "little people" ... about." It's interesting reading these comments in the time of #Me Too. I know -- no current political references!
"... he telling me the mean manner that Sir Samuel Morland lives near him, in a house he hath bought and laid out money upon, in all to the value of 1200l., but is believed to be a beggar; ..."
My, how things change: Sir Samuel Morland lived in the '60s in Pall Mall; moved to Bloomsbury, in the year 1675 he obtained a lease of Vauxhall House, and by 1687 was living in what he called a 'hut' by Hyde Park gate.
In July 1664 Chancellor Edward Hyde, Earl of Clarendon lived at Worcester House in the Strand. He transacted much public business in his private house; sessions both of Chancery and of the Privy Council were held there during his bouts of illness. (L&M footnote)
"John Strode to Navy Board, Dover Castle, 20 November: CSPD 1664-5, p. 82: Teddeman had left Portsmouth on the 15th."
"In a letter from Sir William Coventry to Secretary Bennet, dated November 13, 1664, we read, “Rear Admiral Teddeman with four or five ships has gone to course in the Channel, and if he meet any refractory Dutchmen will teach them their duty” (“Calendar of State Papers,” Domestic, 1664.-65, p. 66).
Who do we believe? I vote for the 13th as capturing six ships and getting them back to port takes time. I also believe Pepys who says he got a letter from both the Downs and Dover claiming three ships each.
Now I've explored these two -- fascinating -- women, while yes they were novelists and lived in the 17th century, they didn't publish novels until the 18th century.
Widening my search, I'll accept male novelists who published before Mad Madge and Bunyon.
I thought Aphra Behn was mostly a playwrite, and after Pepys' time ... Oroonoko was a novella but not published until 1688.
Her Forc'd Marriage was first performed in 1670 by The Duke's Company, The Amorous Prince, in 1671. The Dutch Lover (1673), Abdelazar, (1676), The Town Fop, (1676), The Debauchee, (1677), The Rover (1677), The Counterfeit Bridegroom, (1677) Sir Patient Fancy (1678) The Feigned Courtesans (1679).
Lisa Redmond in "Aphra Behn: A Secret Life by Janet Todd illuminates the life of a fascinating 17th-century woman" says that in the 1680s Aphra Johnson Behn began to publish prose pieces, and her "Love Letters Between a Nobleman and his Sister" is one of the earliest novels in English. This is also 15 years after Pepys' diary. https://historicalnovelsociety.or…
I have found notes that I need to look into Eliza Haywood and Delarivier Manley, but I haven't got around to them yet.
My point remains, the English were slow to embrace fiction.
What a treat to have a visit from Australian Susan. I'd like to know where to find info on what the readings were each week at Church. I'm intrigued by Pepys' growing ability to ignore Christian teachings.
pepfie on 27 Mar 2011 suggests "... our letter to my Lord Treasurer ..." was a draft proposal from Comptroller of the Navy, Sir J. Mennes, to argue for including them in the cut of "profits" generated by the prize office. Lady Batten was included in Pepys' and Batten's initial conversation, so evidently she had a useful point-of-view on this "opportunity". Does a copy of this proposal survive? Does it raise funds for things Surveyor Batton wanted to build (e.g. the new rope yard, improved port fortifications, etc.), or was it to reward all the Navy Board members for their hard work readying the fleet for this war (which I think was doing their jobs).
I can't remember Pepys ever swearing, or reporting on someone swearing, before. But I know they did it. I searched our word program for the F-bomb, and he never used that either, as a noun, verb, advert, adjective or exclamation in the whole ten years.
Swearing was probably against the Blasphemy Laws, but a friend tells me they swore in French to get around that technicality.
I think this is the first time Pepys has had an extra-marital encounter and not had a temper tantrum within the next couple of days. I suppose this is an improvement.
Commissioner Peter Pett's father, Phineas, wrote a diary for many years. I found this part of the review interesting, and there is far more (but from before Pepys' time):
"Phineas Pett was an English Master Shipwright in the first half of the 17th Century. He was also a sea captain, Cambridge graduate, a bit of a rogue and a bit of a dandy, a vicious enemy to his rivals and, that greatest of virtues for any historical figure, an autobiographer.
"He is probably less well known than his son, Commissioner Peter Pett, who sat on the Navy Board with a more famous diarist, proving that on the path to historical immortality in the 17th century, passing acquaintance with Samuel Pepys counted more than the patronage of Kings.
"Phineas interests me in a number of ways: First, shipbuilding was a large-scale industry in a still largely rural society where manufacture was almost entirely based on small, family-sized businesses. Chatham shipyard employed 800 people in 1665, at a time where there was only a couple of dozen towns of more than 5,000 people in England. Shipbuilding was at once large scale and high-technology and required people with both technical and managerial skill to lead them. This technical manager fits well into our concept of post-industrial revolution, or even entirely modern industry, but is harder to place in early Stuart England.
"Lastly, Phineas Pett is hard to place in terms of class. Different aspects of his life, as well as at different times, showed traits of the fairly poor wage earner, of the artisan, and of the minor gentry. His “class” (with due regard to the difficulties associated with using the word in the 17th Century) was either amorphous or there was considerable potential for mobility between the classes. Was this typical, or was it peculiar to his unusual, almost anachronistic profession?"
Comments
Second Reading
About Tuesday 29 November 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
That expensive new red outfit is getting lots of wear. It was a good investment. I still think he either looked like Elvis or Santa.
About Tuesday 29 November 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"Now, he has the chance to shove "little people" ... about." It's interesting reading these comments in the time of #Me Too. I know -- no current political references!
About Peter Llewellyn
San Diego Sarah • Link
Peter Llewellyn had been colleagues of Pepys at the Exchequer. By September 1663, Llewellyn is clerk to Edward Dering, merchant. (L&M footnote)
About Friday 25 November 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"... he telling me the mean manner that Sir Samuel Morland lives near him, in a house he hath bought and laid out money upon, in all to the value of 1200l., but is believed to be a beggar; ..."
My, how things change: Sir Samuel Morland lived in the '60s in Pall Mall; moved to Bloomsbury, in the year 1675 he obtained a lease of Vauxhall House, and by 1687 was living in what he called a 'hut' by Hyde Park gate.
A mean house on Pall Mall!
About Thursday 24 November 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
Sir Thomas Chicheley MP is one of the members of the Ordinance Committee Pepys met at the Tower on November 8, 1664
https://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/…
About Tuesday 22 November 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
In July 1664 Chancellor Edward Hyde, Earl of Clarendon lived at Worcester House in the Strand. He transacted much public business in his private house; sessions both of Chancery and of the Privy Council were held there during his bouts of illness. (L&M footnote)
About Monday 21 November 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"John Strode to Navy Board, Dover Castle, 20 November: CSPD 1664-5, p. 82:
Teddeman had left Portsmouth on the 15th."
"In a letter from Sir William Coventry to Secretary Bennet, dated November 13, 1664, we read, “Rear Admiral Teddeman with four or five ships has gone to course in the Channel, and if he meet any refractory Dutchmen will teach them their duty” (“Calendar of State Papers,” Domestic, 1664.-65, p. 66).
Who do we believe? I vote for the 13th as capturing six ships and getting them back to port takes time. I also believe Pepys who says he got a letter from both the Downs and Dover claiming three ships each.
About Friday 11 November 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
Terry, if you want an idea of what Aphra MIGHT have been up to at this time, I highly recommend "Death's Bright Angel" by J.D. Davies.
About Friday 11 November 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
Now I've explored these two -- fascinating -- women, while yes they were novelists and lived in the 17th century, they didn't publish novels until the 18th century.
Widening my search, I'll accept male novelists who published before Mad Madge and Bunyon.
About Friday 11 November 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
I thought Aphra Behn was mostly a playwrite, and after Pepys' time ... Oroonoko was a novella but not published until 1688.
Her Forc'd Marriage was first performed in 1670 by The Duke's Company,
The Amorous Prince, in 1671.
The Dutch Lover (1673),
Abdelazar, (1676),
The Town Fop, (1676),
The Debauchee, (1677),
The Rover (1677),
The Counterfeit Bridegroom, (1677)
Sir Patient Fancy (1678)
The Feigned Courtesans (1679).
Lisa Redmond in "Aphra Behn: A Secret Life by Janet Todd illuminates the life of a fascinating 17th-century woman"
says that in the 1680s Aphra Johnson Behn began to publish prose pieces, and her "Love Letters Between a Nobleman and his Sister" is one of the earliest novels in English. This is also 15 years after Pepys' diary.
https://historicalnovelsociety.or…
I have found notes that I need to look into Eliza Haywood and Delarivier Manley, but I haven't got around to them yet.
My point remains, the English were slow to embrace fiction.
About Sunday 30 October 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
What a treat to have a visit from Australian Susan. I'd like to know where to find info on what the readings were each week at Church. I'm intrigued by Pepys' growing ability to ignore Christian teachings.
About Saturday 12 November 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
1664 I think ... just a type-o.
About Sunday 20 November 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"... with Mr. Bodham talking of our ropeyarde stores at Woolwich, which are mighty low, even to admiration."
Admiration????
About Sunday 20 November 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
pepfie on 27 Mar 2011 suggests "... our letter to my Lord Treasurer ..." was a draft proposal from Comptroller of the Navy, Sir J. Mennes, to argue for including them in the cut of "profits" generated by the prize office. Lady Batten was included in Pepys' and Batten's initial conversation, so evidently she had a useful point-of-view on this "opportunity". Does a copy of this proposal survive? Does it raise funds for things Surveyor Batton wanted to build (e.g. the new rope yard, improved port fortifications, etc.), or was it to reward all the Navy Board members for their hard work readying the fleet for this war (which I think was doing their jobs).
About Saturday 19 November 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
Oh yes, Nix belongs in yesterday's episode. How soon I forgot.
About Saturday 19 November 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
I wonder if any of these letters survived.
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Anyone know where Nix's post belongs?
About Friday 18 November 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"... which he did more loosely, ..."
I can't remember Pepys ever swearing, or reporting on someone swearing, before. But I know they did it. I searched our word program for the F-bomb, and he never used that either, as a noun, verb, advert, adjective or exclamation in the whole ten years.
Swearing was probably against the Blasphemy Laws, but a friend tells me they swore in French to get around that technicality.
Can anyone enlighten me?
About Thursday 17 November 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
I think this is the first time Pepys has had an extra-marital encounter and not had a temper tantrum within the next couple of days. I suppose this is an improvement.
About Peter Pett (Commissioner of the Navy)
San Diego Sarah • Link
Commissioner Peter Pett's father, Phineas, wrote a diary for many years. I found this part of the review interesting, and there is far more (but from before Pepys' time):
"https://eagleclawedwolfe.wordpres…
"Phineas Pett was an English Master Shipwright in the first half of the 17th Century. He was also a sea captain, Cambridge graduate, a bit of a rogue and a bit of a dandy, a vicious enemy to his rivals and, that greatest of virtues for any historical figure, an autobiographer.
"He is probably less well known than his son, Commissioner Peter Pett, who sat on the Navy Board with a more famous diarist, proving that on the path to historical immortality in the 17th century, passing acquaintance with Samuel Pepys counted more than the patronage of Kings.
"Phineas interests me in a number of ways:
First, shipbuilding was a large-scale industry in a still largely rural society where manufacture was almost entirely based on small, family-sized businesses.
Chatham shipyard employed 800 people in 1665, at a time where there was only a couple of dozen towns of more than 5,000 people in England.
Shipbuilding was at once large scale and high-technology and required people with both technical and managerial skill to lead them.
This technical manager fits well into our concept of post-industrial revolution, or even entirely modern industry, but is harder to place in early Stuart England.
"Lastly, Phineas Pett is hard to place in terms of class. Different aspects of his life, as well as at different times, showed traits of the fairly poor wage earner, of the artisan, and of the minor gentry. His “class” (with due regard to the difficulties associated with using the word in the 17th Century) was either amorphous or there was considerable potential for mobility between the classes. Was this typical, or was it peculiar to his unusual, almost anachronistic profession?"
About Tuesday 15 November 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"... walked into town to where she knew where she was, ..."
Definitely a #MeToo episode.