Ooooohhh ... William Watkins presumably died in 1662. He was replaced by:
Bickerstaffe, Charles (ktd by 25 Nov. 1671) 1662-1696 Gt. in reversion after unnamed persons 5 Sept. 1642 (Docquets, p. 336); possession of office acknowledged 7 July 1660 (C 66/2946, gt. to Francis Slingsby); displaced nonetheless by Hartgill Baron 16 July 1660 (Diary of Samuel Pepys, ed. R. L atham and W. Matthews (1970-83), i, 207, 208, 235, 236); warrant for admission in place of William Watkins 16 June 1662 (CSPD 1661-2, p. 409). Surrendered by 11 Dec. 1696 (C 66/3382, recited in gt. to Sir George Piers).
Pepys got to sit in the Privy Seal pew because Sandwich was one of four men allowed to carry it at the time -- possibly another reason he was missed at Court by his peers?
Men in charge of the Privy Seal at this time: Baron, Hartgill 1660-1673 Castle, John 1638-[1646]; 1660-1664 Montagu, Edward (Earl of Sandwich) 1660-1672 Watkins, William 1643-[1646]; 1660-1662 http://www.history.ac.uk/publicat… Clerks of the Privy Seal 1537-1851 "The four Clerks of the Privy Seal were appointed by the crown by letters patent under the great seal from 1537. Tenure was for life until 1814."
The Killigrew’s brothers were Charles (1609-1629), Robert (1611-1635), Thomas (1612-1683) and the youngest, Henry (1613–1700).
Their grandfather, Sir William Killigrew, was a groom of the privy chamber to Queen Elizabeth, and was granted an 80-year lease of the manors of Hanworth and Kempton in Middlesex.
Perhaps nurtured by the intellectual atmosphere of their Hanworth home, William and Thomas Killigrew became playwrights, and Henry (a noted divine) also possessed literary talent.
Henry Killigrew was Chaplain to the King’s army in 1642 and later prebendary of Westminster (where he was living in 1691), He was appointed Master of the Savoy Hospital from 1663 until his death in 1700 (so he would have known John Evelyn).
Their cousin, Elizabeth Killigrew (1622-1680), was an early mistress of Charles II with whom, in 1650, he had a daughter. Elizabeth was the only mistress who was older than Charles. Her husband was Francis Boyle, brother of Robert Boyle of the Royal Society, and son of Richard Boyle, 1st Earl of Cork.
Everyone knew everyone; it was a fairly small society. They were also related by marriage to Sir Francis Bacon's family.
The Killigrew’s brothers were Charles (1609-1629), Robert (1611-1635), Thomas (1612-1683) and the youngest, Henry (1613–1700).
Their grandfather, Sir William Killigrew, was a groom of the privy chamber to Queen Elizabeth, and was granted an 80-year lease of the manors of Hanworth and Kempton in Middlesex.
Perhaps nurtured by the intellectual atmosphere of their Hanworth home, William and Thomas Killigrew became playwrights, and Henry (a noted divine) also possessed literary talent.
Henry Killigrew was Chaplain to the King’s army in 1642 and later prebendary of Westminster (where he was living in 1691), He was appointed Master of the Savoy Hospital from 1663 until his death in 1700 (so he would have known John Evelyn).
Their cousin, Elizabeth Killigrew (1622-1680), was an early mistress of Charles II with whom, in 1650, he had a daughter. Elizabeth was the only mistress who was older than Charles. Her husband was Francis Boyle, brother of Robert Boyle of the Royal Society, and son of Richard Boyle, 1st Earl of Cork.
Everyone knew everyone; it was a fairly small society. They were also related by marriage to Sir Francis Bacon's family.
Terry -- November 32nd? Did they make up dates as they went along, or was this a way for accounting to put something into the previous month that didn't actually happen that month?
Terry, "A privy seal for the payment of just over £8,400 to Gauden was issued on 32 November, but the money was not paid until the following March."??? A typo, or was some calendar manipulation under way?
Pepys doesn't know it, but not everyone forgot Queen Catherine's birthday.
Edmund Waller, the court poet, presented her with this poem:
"And that the King do seem to take it much to heart, for that he hath wept before her" He that was never known to mourn, So many kingdoms from him torn, His tears reserved for you, more dear, More prized, than all those kingdoms were! For when no healing art prevailed, When cordials and elixirs failed, On your pale cheek he dropped the shower, Revived you like a dying flower. -- TO THE QUEEN, UPON HER MAJESTY'S BIRTHDAY, AFTER HER HAPPY RECOVERY FROM A DANGEROUS SICKNESS. Edmund Waller, 1663"
Terry -- no kidding! I knew John Amos Comenius served as the last bishop of Unity of the Brethren, and (here's me assuming again) thought it was a Moravian/Transylvanian thing. That his mystic teachings reached Rev. Josselin in Essex is so -- well, predictable as I now see it. Every known cult must have been in England -- which further explains why the Royals/Parliament was so keen on enforcing the BCP and shoring up at least people's core beliefs. I'll have to read up on the Unity of Brethren now. My particular joy comes in all these predictions of The End Of The World which did not come true. Mystics have been scaring vulnerable people into doing weird things for thousands of years.
In 1641, Bishop John Comenius was invited by parliament to join a commission reforming the public education system. The Civil War stopped this so in 1642 Comenius went to work with Queen Christina reorganizing Swedish schools. Later in 1642 Comenius moved to Elbing in Polish Royal Prussia. In 1648 he returned to England with Samuel Hartlib, who came from Elbing.
In 1650 Comenius went to Transylvania to be professor in the Hungarian Protestant College and wrote some important works.
In 1654 Comenius moved to Leszno. During the Northern Wars he declared for the Protestant Swedish, so Polish partisans burned his house and manuscripts in 1656. Comenius moved to Amsterdam, where he died in 1670.
After religion, Comenius' passion was using Baconian organization for human knowledge. He led the encyclopedic/pansophic movement, and sacrificed practical opportunities for these visionary projects.
In 1639, Comenius published Pansophiæ Prodromus, and in 1640 Samuel Hartlib published the plan of his pansophic work in outline. Sadly the manuscript was burned in 1657. But his pansophic ideas appeared in his textbooks which tried to organize all human knowledge in outline, for a child.
His influence was in practical education. (1) He was a teacher and organizer of schools. In Didactica Magna he outlined America's school system: kindergarten, elementary, secondary, college, university.
(2) in the general theory of education; he was first to say “education according to nature”. He systematically applied principles of investigation formulated by Francis Bacon and Descartes. The system is explained in Didactica Magna, completed 1631.
(3) subject matter and education methods were explained in a series of textbooks. First Janua Linguarum Reserata issued 1631. Next came a more elementary text, the Vestibulum, then a more advanced one, the Atrium, and 40 other books.
In 1657 he published the Orbis Sensualium Pictus, probably the most widely-circulated school textbook. It was the first successful application of illustrations for teaching.
His books all promoted: (1) learning languages through the vernacular; (2) obtaining ideas through objects; (3) start with objects most familiar to the child to introduce both language and the more remote world of objects: (4) give the child knowledge of environment, physical and social, and religious, moral, and classical instruction; (5) make learning a pleasure not a task; and (6) universal education.
As a theologian, Comenius was a mystic, believed in prophecies, dreams and revelations. His interpretation of Revelation saw the millennium in 1672, and guaranteed miraculous assistance to anyone destroying the Pope and the Hapsburgs, naming Cromwell, Gustavus Adolphus, and George I Rákóczi, prince of Transylvania, to do it.
In 1641, Bishop John Comenius was invited by parliament to join a commission reforming the public education system. The Civil War stopped this so in 1642 Comenius went to work with Queen Christina reorganizing Swedish schools. Later in 1642 Comenius moved to Elbing in Polish Royal Prussia. In 1648 he returned to England with Samuel Hartlib, who came from Elbing.
In 1650 Comenius went to Transylvania to be professor in the Hungarian Protestant College and wrote some important works.
In 1654 Comenius moved to Leszno. During the Northern Wars he declared for the Protestant Swedish, so Polish partisans burned his house and manuscripts in 1656. Comenius moved to Amsterdam, where he died in 1670.
After religion, Comenius' passion was using Baconian organization for human knowledge. He led the encyclopedic/pansophic movement, and sacrificed practical opportunities for these visionary projects.
In 1639, Comenius published Pansophiæ Prodromus, and in 1640 Samuel Hartlib published the plan of the pansophic work in outline. Sadly the manuscript was burned in 1657. But his pansophic ideas appeared in his textbooks which tried to organize all human knowledge in outline, for a child.
His influence was in practical education. (1) He was a teacher and organizer of schools. In Didactica Magna he outlined America's school system: kindergarten, elementary, secondary, college, university.
(2) in the general theory of education; he was first to say “education according to nature”. He systematically applied principles of investigation formulated by Francis Bacon and Descartes. The system is explained in Didactica Magna, completed 1631.
(3) subject matter and education methods were explained in a series of textbooks. First Janua Linguarum Reserata issued 1631. Next came a more elementary text, the Vestibulum, then a more advanced one, the Atrium, and 40 other books.
In 1657 he published the Orbis Sensualium Pictus, probably the most widely-circulated school textbook. It was the first successful application of illustrations for teaching.
His books all promoted: (1) learning languages through the vernacular; (2) obtaining ideas through objects; (3) start with objects most familiar to the child to introduce both language and the more remote world of objects: (4) give the child knowledge of environment, physical and social, and religious, moral, and classical instruction; (5) make learning a pleasure not a task; and (6) universal education.
As a theologian, Comenius was a mystic, believed in prophecies, dreams and revelations. His interpretation of Revelation saw the millennium in 1672, and guaranteed miraculous assistance to anyone destroying the Pope and the Hapsburgs, naming Cromwell, Gustavus Adolphus, and George I Rákóczi, prince of Transylvania, to do it.
has gone away. Fortunately JWB did post some information on the subject without this link, but if anyone knows where the information has gone, please post. In yesterday would be better.
"... put on my new shagg purple gowne, with gold buttons and loop lace, I being a little fearful of taking cold and of pain coming upon me."
I was wondering what he needed this for. Now I understand, and since he started to get a cold a couple of days ago, it's a good precaution. It's an over-robe to be worn on cold days to keep a warm envelope of air around him while he works. Life without central heating and insulation must have been awful, especially if your clothes are damp from running through the rain from your house door to the office door, etc. I remember my clothes in London were never really dry all winter long. Used to put my overcoat on top of the bed when I went to sleep, partly to give me warmth, and partly so it would dry.
"Lay long in bed, indeed too long, divers people and the officers staying for me." Was it his cold, or did he oversleep?
No wonder "I was vexed to see his spleene, but glad to understand it," -- Penn was irked at being kept waiting, besides wanting revenge for Pepys humiliating him in the same way at their last meeting. Just as well Pepys didn't really care about who got the job.
Unfortunately the article no longer exists ... Terry or any other reader from back then, do you have any idea what it said?
In fact, it seems to me we should always summarize articles as well as provide the link, because often these pages go away and it is so frustrating to be completely denied the information.
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About Sunday 22 November 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Ooooohhh ... William Watkins presumably died in 1662. He was replaced by:
Bickerstaffe, Charles (ktd by 25 Nov. 1671) 1662-1696
Gt. in reversion after unnamed persons 5 Sept. 1642 (Docquets, p. 336); possession of office acknowledged 7 July 1660 (C 66/2946, gt. to Francis Slingsby); displaced nonetheless by Hartgill Baron 16 July 1660 (Diary of Samuel Pepys, ed. R. L atham and W. Matthews (1970-83), i, 207, 208, 235, 236);
warrant for admission in place of William Watkins 16 June 1662 (CSPD 1661-2, p. 409). Surrendered by 11 Dec. 1696 (C 66/3382, recited in gt. to Sir George Piers).
http://www.history.ac.uk/resource…
You can find short bios on all the Clerks at this website
About Sunday 22 November 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Pepys got to sit in the Privy Seal pew because Sandwich was one of four men allowed to carry it at the time -- possibly another reason he was missed at Court by his peers?
Men in charge of the Privy Seal at this time:
Baron, Hartgill 1660-1673
Castle, John 1638-[1646]; 1660-1664
Montagu, Edward (Earl of Sandwich) 1660-1672
Watkins, William 1643-[1646]; 1660-1662
http://www.history.ac.uk/publicat… Clerks of the Privy Seal 1537-1851 "The four Clerks of the Privy Seal were appointed by the crown by letters patent under the great seal from 1537. Tenure was for life until 1814."
About Sunday 22 November 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
The Killigrew’s brothers were Charles (1609-1629), Robert (1611-1635), Thomas (1612-1683) and the youngest, Henry (1613–1700).
Their grandfather, Sir William Killigrew, was a groom of the privy chamber to Queen Elizabeth, and was granted an 80-year lease of the manors of Hanworth and Kempton in Middlesex.
Perhaps nurtured by the intellectual atmosphere of their Hanworth home, William and Thomas Killigrew became playwrights, and Henry (a noted divine) also possessed literary talent.
Henry Killigrew was Chaplain to the King’s army in 1642 and later prebendary of Westminster (where he was living in 1691), He was appointed Master of the Savoy Hospital from 1663 until his death in 1700 (so he would have known John Evelyn).
Their cousin, Elizabeth Killigrew (1622-1680), was an early mistress of Charles II with whom, in 1650, he had a daughter. Elizabeth was the only mistress who was older than Charles. Her husband was Francis Boyle, brother of Robert Boyle of the Royal Society, and son of Richard Boyle, 1st Earl of Cork.
Everyone knew everyone; it was a fairly small society. They were also related by marriage to Sir Francis Bacon's family.
For more information on this interesting Cornish family, see http://www.twickenham-museum.org.…
About Henry Killigrew (b)
San Diego Sarah • Link
The Killigrew’s brothers were Charles (1609-1629), Robert (1611-1635), Thomas (1612-1683) and the youngest, Henry (1613–1700).
Their grandfather, Sir William Killigrew, was a groom of the privy chamber to Queen Elizabeth, and was granted an 80-year lease of the manors of Hanworth and Kempton in Middlesex.
Perhaps nurtured by the intellectual atmosphere of their Hanworth home, William and Thomas Killigrew became playwrights, and Henry (a noted divine) also possessed literary talent.
Henry Killigrew was Chaplain to the King’s army in 1642 and later prebendary of Westminster (where he was living in 1691), He was appointed Master of the Savoy Hospital from 1663 until his death in 1700 (so he would have known John Evelyn).
Their cousin, Elizabeth Killigrew (1622-1680), was an early mistress of Charles II with whom, in 1650, he had a daughter. Elizabeth was the only mistress who was older than Charles. Her husband was Francis Boyle, brother of Robert Boyle of the Royal Society, and son of Richard Boyle, 1st Earl of Cork.
Everyone knew everyone; it was a fairly small society. They were also related by marriage to Sir Francis Bacon's family.
For more information on this interesting Cornish family, see http://www.twickenham-museum.org.…
About Isle of Dogs
San Diego Sarah • Link
The name, Isle of Dogs, may be because it was the site of Henry VIII’s hunting kennels.
About Ropeyard (Woolwich)
San Diego Sarah • Link
The name, Isle of Dogs, may be because it was the site of Henry VIII’s hunting kennels.
About Thursday 19 November 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Terry -- November 32nd? Did they make up dates as they went along, or was this a way for accounting to put something into the previous month that didn't actually happen that month?
About Thursday 19 November 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Terry, "A privy seal for the payment of just over £8,400 to Gauden was issued on 32 November, but the money was not paid until the following March."??? A typo, or was some calendar manipulation under way?
About Sunday 15 November 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Pepys doesn't know it, but not everyone forgot Queen Catherine's birthday.
Edmund Waller, the court poet, presented her with this poem:
"And that the King do seem to take it much to heart, for that he hath wept before her"
He that was never known to mourn,
So many kingdoms from him torn,
His tears reserved for you, more dear,
More prized, than all those kingdoms were!
For when no healing art prevailed,
When cordials and elixirs failed,
On your pale cheek he dropped the shower,
Revived you like a dying flower.
-- TO THE QUEEN, UPON HER MAJESTY'S BIRTHDAY, AFTER HER HAPPY RECOVERY FROM A DANGEROUS SICKNESS. Edmund Waller, 1663"
About Sunday 15 November 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Terry -- no kidding! I knew John Amos Comenius served as the last bishop of Unity of the Brethren, and (here's me assuming again) thought it was a Moravian/Transylvanian thing. That his mystic teachings reached Rev. Josselin in Essex is so -- well, predictable as I now see it. Every known cult must have been in England -- which further explains why the Royals/Parliament was so keen on enforcing the BCP and shoring up at least people's core beliefs. I'll have to read up on the Unity of Brethren now. My particular joy comes in all these predictions of The End Of The World which did not come true. Mystics have been scaring vulnerable people into doing weird things for thousands of years.
About Saturday 14 November 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Thanks Terry -- it is tragic to think of all the unhappiness experienced in such a beautiful place.
About Schools
San Diego Sarah • Link
Education was an on-going concern.
In 1641, Bishop John Comenius was invited by parliament to join a commission reforming the public education system. The Civil War stopped this so in 1642 Comenius went to work with Queen Christina reorganizing Swedish schools. Later in 1642 Comenius moved to Elbing in Polish Royal Prussia. In 1648 he returned to England with Samuel Hartlib, who came from Elbing.
In 1650 Comenius went to Transylvania to be professor in the Hungarian Protestant College and wrote some important works.
In 1654 Comenius moved to Leszno. During the Northern Wars he declared for the Protestant Swedish, so Polish partisans burned his house and manuscripts in 1656. Comenius moved to Amsterdam, where he died in 1670.
After religion, Comenius' passion was using Baconian organization for human knowledge. He led the encyclopedic/pansophic movement, and sacrificed practical opportunities for these visionary projects.
In 1639, Comenius published Pansophiæ Prodromus, and in 1640 Samuel Hartlib published the plan of his pansophic work in outline. Sadly the manuscript was burned in 1657. But his pansophic ideas appeared in his textbooks which tried to organize all human knowledge in outline, for a child.
His influence was in practical education. (1) He was a teacher and organizer of schools. In Didactica Magna he outlined America's school system: kindergarten, elementary, secondary, college, university.
(2) in the general theory of education; he was first to say “education according to nature”. He systematically applied principles of investigation formulated by Francis Bacon and Descartes. The system is explained in Didactica Magna, completed 1631.
(3) subject matter and education methods were explained in a series of textbooks. First Janua Linguarum Reserata issued 1631. Next came a more elementary text, the Vestibulum, then a more advanced one, the Atrium, and 40 other books.
In 1657 he published the Orbis Sensualium Pictus, probably the most widely-circulated school textbook. It was the first successful application of illustrations for teaching.
His books all promoted: (1) learning languages through the vernacular; (2) obtaining ideas through objects; (3) start with objects most familiar to the child to introduce both language and the more remote world of objects: (4) give the child knowledge of environment, physical and social, and religious, moral, and classical instruction; (5) make learning a pleasure not a task; and (6) universal education.
As a theologian, Comenius was a mystic, believed in prophecies, dreams and revelations. His interpretation of Revelation saw the millennium in 1672, and guaranteed miraculous assistance to anyone destroying the Pope and the Hapsburgs, naming Cromwell, Gustavus Adolphus, and George I Rákóczi, prince of Transylvania, to do it.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joh…
About Sunday 15 November 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Education was an on-going concern.
In 1641, Bishop John Comenius was invited by parliament to join a commission reforming the public education system. The Civil War stopped this so in 1642 Comenius went to work with Queen Christina reorganizing Swedish schools. Later in 1642 Comenius moved to Elbing in Polish Royal Prussia. In 1648 he returned to England with Samuel Hartlib, who came from Elbing.
In 1650 Comenius went to Transylvania to be professor in the Hungarian Protestant College and wrote some important works.
In 1654 Comenius moved to Leszno. During the Northern Wars he declared for the Protestant Swedish, so Polish partisans burned his house and manuscripts in 1656. Comenius moved to Amsterdam, where he died in 1670.
After religion, Comenius' passion was using Baconian organization for human knowledge. He led the encyclopedic/pansophic movement, and sacrificed practical opportunities for these visionary projects.
In 1639, Comenius published Pansophiæ Prodromus, and in 1640 Samuel Hartlib published the plan of the pansophic work in outline. Sadly the manuscript was burned in 1657. But his pansophic ideas appeared in his textbooks which tried to organize all human knowledge in outline, for a child.
His influence was in practical education. (1) He was a teacher and organizer of schools. In Didactica Magna he outlined America's school system: kindergarten, elementary, secondary, college, university.
(2) in the general theory of education; he was first to say “education according to nature”. He systematically applied principles of investigation formulated by Francis Bacon and Descartes. The system is explained in Didactica Magna, completed 1631.
(3) subject matter and education methods were explained in a series of textbooks. First Janua Linguarum Reserata issued 1631. Next came a more elementary text, the Vestibulum, then a more advanced one, the Atrium, and 40 other books.
In 1657 he published the Orbis Sensualium Pictus, probably the most widely-circulated school textbook. It was the first successful application of illustrations for teaching.
His books all promoted: (1) learning languages through the vernacular; (2) obtaining ideas through objects; (3) start with objects most familiar to the child to introduce both language and the more remote world of objects: (4) give the child knowledge of environment, physical and social, and religious, moral, and classical instruction; (5) make learning a pleasure not a task; and (6) universal education.
As a theologian, Comenius was a mystic, believed in prophecies, dreams and revelations. His interpretation of Revelation saw the millennium in 1672, and guaranteed miraculous assistance to anyone destroying the Pope and the Hapsburgs, naming Cromwell, Gustavus Adolphus, and George I Rákóczi, prince of Transylvania, to do it.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joh…
About Sunday 15 November 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Sadly "JWB on 16 Nov 2006 • Link • Flag
Barbadoed Irish: http://www.yale.edu/glc/tangledro…... "
has gone away. Fortunately JWB did post some information on the subject without this link, but if anyone knows where the information has gone, please post. In yesterday would be better.
About Thursday 12 November 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Thank you, Graham ... it came up on your link.
About Friday 13 November 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
"... put on my new shagg purple gowne, with gold buttons and loop lace, I being a little fearful of taking cold and of pain coming upon me."
I was wondering what he needed this for. Now I understand, and since he started to get a cold a couple of days ago, it's a good precaution. It's an over-robe to be worn on cold days to keep a warm envelope of air around him while he works. Life without central heating and insulation must have been awful, especially if your clothes are damp from running through the rain from your house door to the office door, etc. I remember my clothes in London were never really dry all winter long. Used to put my overcoat on top of the bed when I went to sleep, partly to give me warmth, and partly so it would dry.
About Friday 13 November 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
"A copy of today's letter and its covering note were found in NMM: "
Terry, what is NMM?
About Thursday 12 November 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
"Lay long in bed, indeed too long, divers people and the officers staying for me." Was it his cold, or did he oversleep?
No wonder "I was vexed to see his spleene, but glad to understand it," -- Penn was irked at being kept waiting, besides wanting revenge for Pepys humiliating him in the same way at their last meeting. Just as well Pepys didn't really care about who got the job.
About Thursday 12 November 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Graham's post: "her hollow sore place..." continued:
Maybe this new discovery should be considered:
http://www.theregister.co.uk/2006…"
Unfortunately the article no longer exists ... Terry or any other reader from back then, do you have any idea what it said?
In fact, it seems to me we should always summarize articles as well as provide the link, because often these pages go away and it is so frustrating to be completely denied the information.
About Sunday 8 November 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Is Rev. Josselin's wife pregnant again? That is a very strange diary entry.