[In the 18th Century) when a sailor returned after a voyage he’d be on the ran tan ashore just as fast as he could. The main area was Wapping, roughly from where the Tower of London is until the river bends. It was a maze of tiny streets and alleys, with names like Cat’s Hole, Shovel Alley, the Rookery, Dark Entry and so on. A wider road called Ratcliffe Highway ran through it, lined with shops, taverns, ship’s chandlers, doss houses and so on. It still exists, now called simply ‘The Highway.’ Every shop had a sailor’s lodgings above it and every kind of sharp practice was used to part the sailor from his hard-earned silver.
We have been told it takes about six weeks to get a letter to or from Holmes off the coast of West Africa. In which case this letter seems to qualify as the source of the rumors, as it was sent dated Monday, 8 February, 1664, so presumably it has recently arrived:
"Holmes writes a long letter to Coventry giving him a full account of actions since his first sighting of Cape Verde on Christmas Day. He concludes with the words: "You now have all the trade in your own hands from Cape de Verd to the Gould Coast ... being the most considerable trade in Christendom. I hope you will take resolution to keep it ... if I go beyond my instructions I hope you and the Royal Company will mediate for me." (Man of War ... by Richard Ollard)"
The Chelsea Physic Garden was established as the Apothecaries’ Garden in London, England, in 1673. This physic garden is the second oldest botanical garden in Britain, after the University of Oxford Botanic Garden, which was founded in 1621.
See some lovely photos of the place at: http://onelondonone.blogspot.com/… -guide-in-england-day-3-part-three.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Onelondonone+%28onelondonone%29
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"to my office, where by and by comes Povy, Sir W. Rider, Mr. Bland, Creed, and Vernatty, about my Lord Peterborough’s accounts, which we now went through, but with great difficulty, and many high words between Mr. Povy and I; for I could not endure to see so many things extraordinary put in, against truthe and reason. He was very angry, but I endeavoured all I could to profess my satisfaction in my Lord’s part of the accounts, but not in those foolish idle things, they say I said, that others had put in."
OR, as Francis Bacon (1561-1626) said:
I hold every man a debtor to his profession; from the which as men of course do seek to receive countenance and profit, so ought they of duty to endeavor themselves, by way of amends, to be a help and ornament thereunto.
We know on April 5 Batten was given a Leave of Absence by the House of Commons to work for the Duke of York for 3 weeks on an unspecified project ... I bet Pepys wanted to know what was going on. Maybe offer to help if Batten was really ill.
Louise, I found a wonderful explanation for the outbreak and popularity of diaries during the 17th Century, which I have posted for the first day of the Diary. The idea that resonated for me was that some people missed having a father figure to confess to, so they wrote diaries in which they could perform self-examination.
"... I took Stanes home with me by boat and discoursed it, ..." AND "This morning betimes came to my office to me boatswain Smith of Woolwich, telling me a notable piece of knavery of the officers of the yard and Mr. Gold in behalf of a contract made for some old ropes by Mr. Wood, and I believe I shall find Sir W. Batten of the plot"
Remember Pepys' Friday 18 December 1663 trip: "... and down to Woolwich, calling at Ham Creeke, ... and so to the Ropeyarde and Docke, discoursing several things, and so back again and did the like at Deptford, and I find that it is absolutely necessary for me to do thus once a weeke at least all the yeare round, which will do me great good, ..."
Pepys hasn't been able to do this once a week, but he is there more frequently this Spring than last year. His hands-on involvement is paying off. The men trust him, and some are as eager to clean up the yards as he is.
From 1661 Batten had sat in parliament as member for Rochester, and since June 1663 had held the honorable post of master of the Trinity House. -- Dictionary of National Biography, Volume 3, 1885.
From 1661 Batten had sat in parliament as member for Rochester, and since June 1663 had held the honorable post of master of the Trinity House. -- Dictionary of National Biography, Volume 3, 1885.
Chester is a walled city in Cheshire, England, on the River Dee, close to the border with Wales. Why would back pay for sailors be paid in a land-bound city so far from everything? Did they press from inland cities?
{In March 1662} Sir George Lane was a Clerk in Ordinary to the Privy Council, so "an order of the Councels" would have been either an "Order in Council" (signed by Charles II), or an "Order of Council" (signed on its behalf by another member).
Although now largely ceremonial, the Privy Council was (and is) the senior official branch of the government of the UK. Officially, the Cabinet is merely one of its committees. PC members are normally appointed for life and have the appendage "right honorable."
In 1663 Sir George Lane was a clerk to the Privy Council, and secretary to James Butler, Duke of Ormonde, Lord Steward to the Royal Household. ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Easter Sunday is 10 April 1664 -- so the money is due Monday, April 11. All this tension probably gave Sam "wind". This Easter could be very expensive for Sam, what with William Joyce's adventures so far unresolved, and Mr. Noble's "debt".
Definition of scrivener from Merriam-Webster: noun pronounced: scriv·en·er \ˈskriv-nər, ˈskri-və-\ 1: a professional or public copyist or writer : scribe 2: notary public
"Tom’s first plott was to go on the other side the water and give a beggar woman something to take the child. They did once go, but did nothing, ..."
Does this mean they intended to go to Ireland or France and pay off someone to take the child? "the other side of the water" doesn't sound like the Thames.
Wednesday 10 September 1662 "... So to my brother’s, and there finding both door and hatch open, I went in and knocked 3 or 4 times, and nobody came to me, which troubled me mightily; at last came Margaret, who complained of Peter, who by and by came in, and I did rattle him soundly for it.
I did afterwards take occasion to talk seriously alone with Margaret, who I find a very discreet, good woman, and tells me, upon my demand, that her master is a very good husband, and minds his business well, but his fault is that he has not command over his two men, but they do what they list, and care not for his commands, ..."
"Presumably the coach departed from the north side of Cripplegate (a point close to where the Museum of London now stands) so as to avoid the congestion of the City of London. From there it seems most likely that it would have taken the western route north to Brampton using the Great North Road."
Previously it has been established that on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays there was regular service to Buckden (close to Brampton). But this is Thursday, and my geography isn't the best, but they don't seem to be walking to The George at Holborn:
Monday 28 July 1662 "..., after my wife was ready, I walked with her to the George, at Holborn Conduit, where the coach stood ready to carry her and her maid to Bugden, ..."
The George Inn was used as London's point of departure for stage coaches after the 1650s. See advert in Mercurius Politicus, April 8, 1658, quoted in Martim de Albuquerque's "Notes and Queries" No. 14, page 146, published 1850: "All persons who desire to travel into the cities, towns and roads, herein herafter mentioned ... let them repair to the George Inn at Holborn Bridge, London, and thence they shall be in good coaches with good horses, upon every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, at and for reasonable rates" Pepys took his wife there on Monday 28 July, 1662, to take the coach to Bugden (Buckden in Cambridgeshire).
Anyone got any ideas? Maybe it was a short-lived alternative service? And it doesn't sound like dad took that big puppy Pepys wanted to get rid of last month.
some bits from L&M Companion William and his brother Anthony were tallow chandlers. They "were made free of the Leathersellers' by patrimony in 1654, and inherited their father's business. William, the elder, conducted his trade from the Eagle and Child on Snow Hill, near the Holborn conduit (rated at seven hearths).
Ahhhh ... I missed the end of Will's bail and housing story:
"I went to W. Joyce, where I find the order come, and bail (his father and brother) given; and he paying his fees, which come to above 2l., besides 5l. he is to give one man, and his charges of eating and drinking here, and 10s. a-day as many days as he stands under bail: ..."
Since the House of Lords is adjourned until after Easter ... which was April 10 in 1664 ... so that's 10 shillings a night for at least another week ... plus food and drink. Much nicer than being in the Westminster Gatehouse, especially if your boy can also be with you, and kept company by visitors.
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About Wapping
San Diego Sarah • Link
[In the 18th Century) when a sailor returned after a voyage he’d be on the ran tan ashore just as fast as he could. The main area was Wapping, roughly from where the Tower of London is until the river bends. It was a maze of tiny streets and alleys, with names like Cat’s Hole, Shovel Alley, the Rookery, Dark Entry and so on. A wider road called Ratcliffe Highway ran through it, lined with shops, taverns, ship’s chandlers, doss houses and so on. It still exists, now called simply ‘The Highway.’ Every shop had a sailor’s lodgings above it and every kind of sharp practice was used to part the sailor from his hard-earned silver.
For more about London, 50 years after the Diary -- see http://englishhistoryauthors.blog…
About Tuesday 19 April 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
We have been told it takes about six weeks to get a letter to or from Holmes off the coast of West Africa. In which case this letter seems to qualify as the source of the rumors, as it was sent dated Monday, 8 February, 1664, so presumably it has recently arrived:
"Holmes writes a long letter to Coventry giving him a full account of actions since his first sighting of Cape Verde on Christmas Day. He concludes with the words: "You now have all the trade in your own hands from Cape de Verd to the Gould Coast ... being the most considerable trade in Christendom. I hope you will take resolution to keep it ... if I go beyond my instructions I hope you and the Royal Company will mediate for me." (Man of War ... by Richard Ollard)"
see http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
About Tuesday 19 April 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
The Chelsea Physic Garden was established as the Apothecaries’ Garden in London, England, in 1673. This physic garden is the second oldest botanical garden in Britain, after the University of Oxford Botanic Garden, which was founded in 1621.
See some lovely photos of the place at: http://onelondonone.blogspot.com/… -guide-in-england-day-3-part-three.html?utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+Onelondonone+%28onelondonone%29
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About Thursday 31 March 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"to my office, where by and by comes Povy, Sir W. Rider, Mr. Bland, Creed, and Vernatty, about my Lord Peterborough’s accounts, which we now went through, but with great difficulty, and many high words between Mr. Povy and I; for I could not endure to see so many things extraordinary put in, against truthe and reason. He was very angry, but I endeavoured all I could to profess my satisfaction in my Lord’s part of the accounts, but not in those foolish idle things, they say I said, that others had put in."
OR, as Francis Bacon (1561-1626) said:
I hold every man a debtor to his profession; from the which as men of course do seek to receive countenance and profit, so ought they of duty to endeavor themselves, by way of amends, to be a help and ornament thereunto.
About Monday 11 April 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
We know on April 5 Batten was given a Leave of Absence by the House of Commons to work for the Duke of York for 3 weeks on an unspecified project ... I bet Pepys wanted to know what was going on. Maybe offer to help if Batten was really ill.
About Sunday 27 March 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
Louise, I found a wonderful explanation for the outbreak and popularity of diaries during the 17th Century, which I have posted for the first day of the Diary. The idea that resonated for me was that some people missed having a father figure to confess to, so they wrote diaries in which they could perform self-examination.
About Friday 8 April 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"... I took Stanes home with me by boat and discoursed it, ..."
AND
"This morning betimes came to my office to me boatswain Smith of Woolwich, telling me a notable piece of knavery of the officers of the yard and Mr. Gold in behalf of a contract made for some old ropes by Mr. Wood, and I believe I shall find Sir W. Batten of the plot"
Remember Pepys' Friday 18 December 1663 trip:
"... and down to Woolwich, calling at Ham Creeke, ... and so to the Ropeyarde and Docke, discoursing several things, and so back again and did the like at Deptford, and I find that it is absolutely necessary for me to do thus once a weeke at least all the yeare round, which will do me great good, ..."
Pepys hasn't been able to do this once a week, but he is there more frequently this Spring than last year. His hands-on involvement is paying off. The men trust him, and some are as eager to clean up the yards as he is.
About Friday 8 April 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
From 1661 Batten had sat in parliament as member for Rochester, and since June 1663 had held the honorable post of master of the Trinity House. -- Dictionary of National Biography, Volume 3, 1885.
About Trinity House, Deptford
San Diego Sarah • Link
From 1661 Batten had sat in parliament as member for Rochester, and since June 1663 had held the honorable post of master of the Trinity House. -- Dictionary of National Biography, Volume 3, 1885.
About Thursday 7 April 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
Chester is a walled city in Cheshire, England, on the River Dee, close to the border with Wales. Why would back pay for sailors be paid in a land-bound city so far from everything? Did they press from inland cities?
About Thursday 7 April 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
{In March 1662} Sir George Lane was a Clerk in Ordinary to the Privy Council, so "an order of the Councels" would have been either an "Order in Council" (signed by Charles II), or an "Order of Council" (signed on its behalf by another member).
Although now largely ceremonial, the Privy Council was (and is) the senior official branch of the government of the UK. Officially, the Cabinet is merely one of its committees. PC members are normally appointed for life and have the appendage "right honorable."
In 1663 Sir George Lane was a clerk to the Privy Council, and secretary to James Butler, Duke of Ormonde, Lord Steward to the Royal Household.
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About Wednesday 6 April 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
Easter Sunday is 10 April 1664 -- so the money is due Monday, April 11. All this tension probably gave Sam "wind". This Easter could be very expensive for Sam, what with William Joyce's adventures so far unresolved, and Mr. Noble's "debt".
About Wednesday 6 April 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
Definition of scrivener from Merriam-Webster:
noun pronounced: scriv·en·er \ˈskriv-nər, ˈskri-və-\
1: a professional or public copyist or writer : scribe
2: notary public
About Wednesday 6 April 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"Tom’s first plott was to go on the other side the water and give a beggar woman something to take the child. They did once go, but did nothing, ..."
Does this mean they intended to go to Ireland or France and pay off someone to take the child? "the other side of the water" doesn't sound like the Thames.
About Margaret (Tom Pepys' servant)
San Diego Sarah • Link
Wednesday 10 September 1662
"... So to my brother’s, and there finding both door and hatch open, I went in and knocked 3 or 4 times, and nobody came to me, which troubled me mightily; at last came Margaret, who complained of Peter, who by and by came in, and I did rattle him soundly for it.
I did afterwards take occasion to talk seriously alone with Margaret, who I find a very discreet, good woman, and tells me, upon my demand, that her master is a very good husband, and minds his business well, but his fault is that he has not command over his two men, but they do what they list, and care not for his commands, ..."
Sounds like Pepys liked Margaret.
About Thursday 14 April 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"Presumably the coach departed from the north side of Cripplegate (a point close to where the Museum of London now stands) so as to avoid the congestion of the City of London. From there it seems most likely that it would have taken the western route north to Brampton using the Great North Road."
Previously it has been established that on Mondays, Wednesdays and Fridays there was regular service to Buckden (close to Brampton). But this is Thursday, and my geography isn't the best, but they don't seem to be walking to The George at Holborn:
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
Monday 28 July 1662 "..., after my wife was ready, I walked with her to the George, at Holborn Conduit, where the coach stood ready to carry her and her maid to Bugden, ..."
The George Inn was used as London's point of departure for stage coaches after the 1650s. See advert in Mercurius Politicus, April 8, 1658, quoted in Martim de Albuquerque's "Notes and Queries" No. 14, page 146, published 1850: "All persons who desire to travel into the cities, towns and roads, herein herafter mentioned ... let them repair to the George Inn at Holborn Bridge, London, and thence they shall be in good coaches with good horses, upon every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, at and for reasonable rates" Pepys took his wife there on Monday 28 July, 1662, to take the coach to Bugden (Buckden in Cambridgeshire).
Anyone got any ideas? Maybe it was a short-lived alternative service? And it doesn't sound like dad took that big puppy Pepys wanted to get rid of last month.
About Tuesday 5 April 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"This day great numbers of merchants came to a Grand Committee of the House to bring in their claims against the Dutch."
Does L&M indicate anything about this Grand Committee, and to which House would it report?
About William Joyce (sen.)
San Diego Sarah • Link
some bits from L&M Companion
William and his brother Anthony were tallow chandlers. They "were made free of the Leathersellers' by patrimony in 1654, and inherited their father's business. William, the elder, conducted his trade from the Eagle and Child on Snow Hill, near the Holborn conduit (rated at seven hearths).
About Tuesday 5 April 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
"... I returned, but finding them gone out to look after it, only Will and his wife and sister left ..."
Does L&M clarify whether or not Will and Anthony had a sister, or does this mean that the Fenner sisters were there?
About Tuesday 5 April 1664
San Diego Sarah • Link
Ahhhh ... I missed the end of Will's bail and housing story:
"I went to W. Joyce, where I find the order come, and bail (his father and brother) given; and he paying his fees, which come to above 2l., besides 5l. he is to give one man, and his charges of eating and drinking here, and 10s. a-day as many days as he stands under bail: ..."
Since the House of Lords is adjourned until after Easter ... which was April 10 in 1664 ... so that's 10 shillings a night for at least another week ... plus food and drink. Much nicer than being in the Westminster Gatehouse, especially if your boy can also be with you, and kept company by visitors.