Is this burning of the midnight oil a way of avoiding Bess? He slept in yesterday, but there is no mention of her or any enjoyment. Lunch with her today was from guilt. Yes - he needed a phone or a boy to tell her about his first lunch. But if they were getting on well he could have said, "Sorry, but I had a business lunch with Deane and Rawlinson already, but I want to sit with you and talk about the new curtains ... that chicken does look good." Maybe it is all confused feelings from the Betty Lane tryst? There's a lot missing yesterday and today. Maybe all will become clear ...
" ... finding Mrs. Lane, took her over to Lambeth, where we were lately, ..."
August 5 of 1663:
and off to Stangate [Stangate, Lambeth -- Located north of Lambeth church, lots of nice bushes and trees, the area south of the River, known as a home for "Winchester geese." --http://www.motco.com/map/81002/SeriesSearchPlatesFulla.asp?mode=query&title=Stangate&artist=384&other=386&x=11&y=11
"... and so to the King’s Head at Lambeth Marsh, and had variety of meats and drinks, but I did so towse her and handled her, ..." http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
" ... finding Mrs. Lane, took her over to Lambeth, where we were lately, ..."
August 5 of 1663:
and off to Stangate [Stangate, Lambeth -- Located north of Lambeth church, lots of nice bushes and trees, the area south of the River, known as a home for "Winchester geese." -- http://www.motco.com/map/81002/Se…...]
"... and so to the King’s Head at Lambeth Marsh, and had variety of meats and drinks, but I did so towse her and handled her, ..."
"having lain within here at home this week or two" -- I checked https://www.geni.com/people/Henry… and see that Henry Fitzroy was born at Whitehall. No wonder Ms. Sarah was first with the (wrong) news. They also have his date of birth as September 28. Deduct 10 days and you have September 18 ... that mean Barbara Villiers Palmer, Lady Castlemaine started out for Oxford 4 days after giving birth. Hardy lady -- it was a full two day trip (I don't know the route):
"By 1667 a stage-coach service was providing three journeys weekly to London: Anthony Wood used it that year, leaving Oxford at 4 a.m. and arriving in the evening of the following day, having spent the night at Beaconsfield (Bucks.)." (fn. 185) 185. Wood's Life, ii. 109.
Thank you, Terry: I had not comprehended your previous post: It is the hire of transportation on Sundays, not the movement of people, that requires a permit. Since the horse is a loan, perhaps Ferrers or Sam wanted a CYA permit from Sandwich so they couldn't be accused of stealing the horse, or something. More study of England's "Blue Laws" at that time is called for.
(Blue laws in the United States vary by state. Blue laws are designed to enforce religious standards. Many states prohibit selling alcoholic beverages for on- and off-premises sales in one form or another on Sundays at some restricted time. Blue laws may also prohibit retail activity on days other than Sunday.)
Only yesterday - "... I mounted, and, with my father’s boy, upon a horse I borrowed of Captain Ferrers, we rode ..."
And presumably tomorrow his father's boy will take Captain Ferrers' horse back to Brampton. He must have been more of a 'stable lad' than a 'boy' to be trusted to make a 2-day trip like that alone on a good horse. Perhaps he would ride in a convoy with others for company and safety. Or did the boy take the horse to wherever Ferrers stabled his mounts in London, and catch the coach home? We will never know, of course. But this does highlight how complicated this "boy" business was, and the need to have help on hand in case something untoward happened.
Okay Sam, great business mind, financial whiz of the family, and counter of pennies ... on Friday, 18 September: "... one Blinkhorne, a miller, of whom we might inquire something of old Day’s disposal of his estate, and in whose hands it now is; and by great chance we met him, and brought him to our inn to dinner; and instead of being informed in his estate by this fellow, we find that he is the next heir to the estate, which was matter of great sport to my cozen Thomas and me, to see such a fellow prevent us in our hopes, he being Day’s brother’s daughter’s son, whereas we are but his sister’s sons and grandsons; so that, after all, we were fain to propose our matter to him, and to get him to give us leave to look after the business, and so he to have one-third part, and we two to have the other two-third parts, of what should be recovered of the estate, which he consented to; and after some discourse and paying the reckoning, ..."
You and cousin Tom left Parson's Grove the next morning -- probably there were no lawyers there anyways. You then go sightseeing in the market town of St. Ives, where there must have been lawyers. If you were serious, you needed to document this legally-shaky agreement.
Sunday you are horsing around with your wife and Sandwich and Ferrers. Monday you get home and see the gang to catch up on activities. Tuesday you still appear to have done nothing. Now, if you do spend some money drawing up a legal agreement, you will have to go back to Parson's Grove to get miller Blinkhorne's signature. (Being a miller, he probably could sign the papers ... millers were leaders in their communities.) I conclude you know this conversation was a complete waste of time, and that you had no legal basis for the handshake in the first place, English law having been patrilineal at the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat…
http://www.historytoday.com/mary-… says: "Millers were local autocrats; gentry were nominally superior, but no one willingly crossed a miller, not even the mill owner." Your third cousin x-times removed took you for one dinner, and you know it.
Sam may not need the pass because of his status, but then there is his wife and his father's boy travelling with him -- or don't they count as people? I wonder why he was so pleased the announcement was made against Sunday travel. Fewer traffic jams in the mud? The highwaymen will take the day off?
YESTERDAY: "... one Blinkhorne, a miller, of whom we might inquire something of old Day’s disposal of his estate, and in whose hands it now is; and by great chance we met him, and brought him to our inn to dinner; and instead of being informed in his estate by this fellow, we find that he is the next heir to the estate, which was matter of great sport to my cozen Thomas and me, to see such a fellow prevent us in our hopes, he being Day’s brother’s daughter’s son, whereas we are but his sister’s sons and grandsons; so that, after all, we were fain to propose our matter to him, and to get him to give us leave to look after the business, and so he to have one-third part, and we two to have the other two-third parts, of what should be recovered of the estate, which he consented to; and after some discourse and paying the reckoning,"
I find it strange Pepys didn't stop to codified this agreement while in the neighborhood. Apparently these three distant cousins shook hands and that was it?
BACKGROUND: As long as possible, Roger Boyle, Lord Broghill supported Richard Cromwell's protectorate. But before Richard's abdication Roger Boyle, Lord Broghill and Sir Charles Coote were back in Ireland. Broghill was in command of Munster and Coote of Connaught, and they were both working for Charles II's return. (Broghill was one of the chief of the "Dynastic" or "Court" Cromwellians, in opposition to the "Army" Cromwellians.)
Early in 1660, Gen. George Monck (from England) and Sir Charles Coote and Broghill (from Ireland) were in communication with Charles II. Broghill's letter to Charles was carried to Breda by Francis "Frank" Boyle, Viscount Shannon: it is said to have been in Charles II's hands before Monck's emissary had done his work.
(Frank Boyle was husband of Charles' former mistress, Elizabeth "Black Betty" Killigrew. They had retired to their Irish estates to bring up their children quietly, including Charlotte Jemima Henrietta Maria Boyle much later acknowledged by Charles. So Broghill and Shannon would have been physically close enough to pull this off.)
Broghill's proposal that Charles II should land in Ireland proved superfluous.
Sir Sydney Montagu, who was married to Paulina Pepys and one of the Master of Requests to Charles I, bought Hinchingbrooke House from Sir Oliver Cromwell (the Protector's uncle) on 20 June 1627. Oliver Cromwell (Protector) hated the Montagu family for living in what he considered his birthright.
Sir Sydney Montagu’s brother, Edward Montagu was 1st Lord Montagu of Boughton, Northamptonshire, and his other brother, Henry Montagu, was 1st Earl of Manchester with his seat at Kimbolton Castle.
So when he hear that the Earl of Sandwich has gone to Boughton, it's reasonable to assume he was visiting his family.
Sir Sydney Montagu, who was married to Paulina Pepys and one of the Master of Requests to Charles I, bought Hinchingbrooke House from Sir Oliver Cromwell (the Protector's uncle) on 20 June 1627. Oliver Cromwell (Protector) hated the Montagu family for living in what he considered his birthright.
Sir Sydney Montagu’s brother, Edward Montagu was 1st Lord Montagu of Boughton, Northamptonshire, and his other brother, Henry Montagu, was 1st Earl of Manchester with his seat at Kimbolton Castle.
So when he hear that the Earl of Sandwich has gone to Boughton, it's reasonable to assume he was visiting his family.
"Ermine Street was built in the 1st century, probably by the Ninth Legion Hispana. The road left London through Bishopsgate and ran along the western edge of the fens of East Anglia. As the legion advanced north they continued to build the road, ... and erected a string of forts at stopping points along the way, ..." to Lincoln and York.
SPOILER ALERT ... Pepys was probably targeted for membership as Charles II had intelligence from his sister and Sir Robert Moray that the Dutch intended to continue the war started by Cromwell.
In 1659 Moray was sent to spy on the Dutch through his Masonic connections, and then went to Paris to see what their reaction would be. After the Restoration Charles II welcomed Moray to Whitehall like a brother, set him up in an apartment, and gave him the job of modernizing the Navy with no funds.
Moray discovered fellow-Masons amongst the poor, unemployed scientific College professors (including John Wilkins, Cromwell's brother-in-law, and Seth Ward) at Gresham College. So he contacted other rich Royalist Masons who supported science and persuaded the two groups to cooperate to defend the nation.
Using Masonic rules of no politics or religion to be discussed during meetings, Moray spent the next 2 years guiding the discussions about ship technology, weapons and navigation. He showed his influence by getting Charles to agree to their Charter in one week. The Royal Society was able to leave its Masonic beginnings and under its first President after the Charter (15 July 1662), Viscount William Brouncker, went on to change science for ever.
I was pondering on why Thomas Povy would send Pepys a haunch of venison. Then I realized it is (a cold, admittedly) summer in London. If you had too much food, it's better to give it away quickly to a colleague (who will hopefully return the generosity at a later date) than let it go bad. Povy had a wealthy wife, and some very powerful connections, so would often find himself blessed with largess from others:
Highlights from a Wikipedia text copied on 10 September 2016 at 3:24AM. (it's only 9:25 p.m in California)
Thomas Povey was a London merchant-politician, active in colonial affairs from the 1650s, but neutral enough in his politics to be named a member from 1660 of Charles II's Council for Foreign Plantations, making him a powerful figure in the not-yet professionalized First English Empire, both "England's first colonial civil servant" and at the same time "a typical office holder of the Restoration".
Both Samuel Pepys and William Berkeley, Governor of Virginia, railed at times against Povey's incompetence and maladministration. [ I.E. Things fell off ships for him! ]
Thomas Povey was a cousin of Thomas Povey, Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts, and of Sir John Povey, Lord Chief Justice of Ireland.
Following the Restoration he was appointed in July 1660 Treasurer to James, Duke of York.
He was First Treasurer to the Lords Commissioner for Tangier, a lucrative post ...
Povey family interests in the English Caribbean were extensive: Thomas' brother, Richard Povey, looked after the family interests in Jamaica, where he was officially Commissioner General for Provisions, while another brother, William, attended to affairs in Barbados, where he was officially Provost-General.
Povey was one of the original members of the Royal Society in May 1663 and had acted in the interests of its less formalized predecessor at Gresham College.
And he was a friend of John Evelyn.
I am sure a lot of things came Mr. Povy's way that could be "shared".
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About Saturday 26 September 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Is this burning of the midnight oil a way of avoiding Bess? He slept in yesterday, but there is no mention of her or any enjoyment. Lunch with her today was from guilt. Yes - he needed a phone or a boy to tell her about his first lunch. But if they were getting on well he could have said, "Sorry, but I had a business lunch with Deane and Rawlinson already, but I want to sit with you and talk about the new curtains ... that chicken does look good." Maybe it is all confused feelings from the Betty Lane tryst? There's a lot missing yesterday and today. Maybe all will become clear ...
About Friday 25 September 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Or, Robert, perhaps they wanted to keep him occupied instead of writing more contracts for too little money which didn't include them ...
Or perhaps they wanted to know what the scoop was with Sandwich ...
Or perhaps they wanted him to do the work so they could see their fancy ladies???
You'd think Pepys would give us a hint at what he heard from them at John Davies' house. So many possibilities ...
About Thursday 24 September 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Another try for the Stangate map:
http://www.motco.com/map/81002/Se…
About Thursday 24 September 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Link problem ... try these:
" ... finding Mrs. Lane, took her over to Lambeth, where we were lately, ..."
August 5 of 1663:
and off to Stangate [Stangate, Lambeth -- Located north of Lambeth church, lots of nice bushes and trees, the area south of the River, known as a home for "Winchester geese." --http://www.motco.com/map/81002/SeriesSearchPlatesFulla.asp?mode=query&title=Stangate&artist=384&other=386&x=11&y=11
"... and so to the King’s Head at Lambeth Marsh, and had variety of meats and drinks, but I did so towse her and handled her, ..."
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
About Thursday 24 September 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
" ... finding Mrs. Lane, took her over to Lambeth, where we were lately, ..."
August 5 of 1663:
and off to Stangate [Stangate, Lambeth -- Located north of Lambeth church, lots of nice bushes and trees, the area south of the River, known as a home for "Winchester geese." -- http://www.motco.com/map/81002/Se…...]
"... and so to the King’s Head at Lambeth Marsh, and had variety of meats and drinks, but I did so towse her and handled her, ..."
http://www.pepysdiary.com/diary/1…
About Tuesday 22 September 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
"having lain within here at home this week or two" -- I checked https://www.geni.com/people/Henry… and see that Henry Fitzroy was born at Whitehall. No wonder Ms. Sarah was first with the (wrong) news.
They also have his date of birth as September 28. Deduct 10 days and you have September 18 ... that mean Barbara Villiers Palmer, Lady Castlemaine started out for Oxford 4 days after giving birth. Hardy lady -- it was a full two day trip (I don't know the route):
http://www.british-history.ac.uk/…
"By 1667 a stage-coach service was providing three journeys weekly to London: Anthony Wood used it that year, leaving Oxford at 4 a.m. and arriving in the evening of the following day, having spent the night at Beaconsfield (Bucks.)." (fn. 185) 185. Wood's Life, ii. 109.
About Sunday 20 September 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Thank you, Terry: I had not comprehended your previous post: It is the hire of transportation on Sundays, not the movement of people, that requires a permit. Since the horse is a loan, perhaps Ferrers or Sam wanted a CYA permit from Sandwich so they couldn't be accused of stealing the horse, or something. More study of England's "Blue Laws" at that time is called for.
(Blue laws in the United States vary by state. Blue laws are designed to enforce religious standards. Many states prohibit selling alcoholic beverages for on- and off-premises sales in one form or another on Sundays at some restricted time. Blue laws may also prohibit retail activity on days other than Sunday.)
About Monday 21 September 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Only yesterday - "... I mounted, and, with my father’s boy, upon a horse I borrowed of Captain Ferrers, we rode ..."
And presumably tomorrow his father's boy will take Captain Ferrers' horse back to Brampton. He must have been more of a 'stable lad' than a 'boy' to be trusted to make a 2-day trip like that alone on a good horse. Perhaps he would ride in a convoy with others for company and safety. Or did the boy take the horse to wherever Ferrers stabled his mounts in London, and catch the coach home? We will never know, of course. But this does highlight how complicated this "boy" business was, and the need to have help on hand in case something untoward happened.
About Wednesday 4 April 1666
San Diego Sarah • Link
Laundry was a time consuming and expensive activity:
http://englishhistoryauthors.blog…
About Saturday 19 September 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
I can't resist ... according to this, mosquitoes are attracted to people who smell ... Pepys needed a bath! https://weather.com/series/health…
About Tuesday 22 September 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Okay Sam, great business mind, financial whiz of the family, and counter of pennies ... on Friday, 18 September: "... one Blinkhorne, a miller, of whom we might inquire something of old Day’s disposal of his estate, and in whose hands it now is; and by great chance we met him, and brought him to our inn to dinner; and instead of being informed in his estate by this fellow, we find that he is the next heir to the estate, which was matter of great sport to my cozen Thomas and me, to see such a fellow prevent us in our hopes, he being Day’s brother’s daughter’s son, whereas we are but his sister’s sons and grandsons; so that, after all, we were fain to propose our matter to him, and to get him to give us leave to look after the business, and so he to have one-third part, and we two to have the other two-third parts, of what should be recovered of the estate, which he consented to; and after some discourse and paying the reckoning, ..."
You and cousin Tom left Parson's Grove the next morning -- probably there were no lawyers there anyways. You then go sightseeing in the market town of St. Ives, where there must have been lawyers. If you were serious, you needed to document this legally-shaky agreement.
Sunday you are horsing around with your wife and Sandwich and Ferrers. Monday you get home and see the gang to catch up on activities. Tuesday you still appear to have done nothing. Now, if you do spend some money drawing up a legal agreement, you will have to go back to Parson's Grove to get miller Blinkhorne's signature. (Being a miller, he probably could sign the papers ... millers were leaders in their communities.) I conclude you know this conversation was a complete waste of time, and that you had no legal basis for the handshake in the first place, English law having been patrilineal at the time. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pat…
http://www.historytoday.com/mary-… says: "Millers were local autocrats; gentry were nominally superior, but no one willingly crossed a miller, not even the mill owner." Your third cousin x-times removed took you for one dinner, and you know it.
About Sunday 20 September 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Sam may not need the pass because of his status, but then there is his wife and his father's boy travelling with him -- or don't they count as people? I wonder why he was so pleased the announcement was made against Sunday travel. Fewer traffic jams in the mud? The highwaymen will take the day off?
About Saturday 19 September 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
YESTERDAY: "... one Blinkhorne, a miller, of whom we might inquire something of old Day’s disposal of his estate, and in whose hands it now is; and by great chance we met him, and brought him to our inn to dinner; and instead of being informed in his estate by this fellow, we find that he is the next heir to the estate, which was matter of great sport to my cozen Thomas and me, to see such a fellow prevent us in our hopes, he being Day’s brother’s daughter’s son, whereas we are but his sister’s sons and grandsons; so that, after all, we were fain to propose our matter to him, and to get him to give us leave to look after the business, and so he to have one-third part, and we two to have the other two-third parts, of what should be recovered of the estate, which he consented to; and after some discourse and paying the reckoning,"
I find it strange Pepys didn't stop to codified this agreement while in the neighborhood. Apparently these three distant cousins shook hands and that was it?
About Charles Boyle
San Diego Sarah • Link
To throw in another name, as suggested by a 1914 biography of Robert Boyle, which of necessity includes his myriad relatives, see :
http://www.archive.org/details/cu…
BACKGROUND: As long as possible, Roger Boyle, Lord Broghill supported Richard Cromwell's protectorate. But before Richard's abdication Roger Boyle, Lord Broghill and Sir Charles Coote were back in Ireland. Broghill was in command of Munster and Coote of Connaught, and they were both working for Charles II's return. (Broghill was one of the chief of the "Dynastic" or "Court" Cromwellians, in opposition to the "Army" Cromwellians.)
Early in 1660, Gen. George Monck (from England) and Sir Charles Coote and Broghill (from Ireland) were in communication with Charles II. Broghill's letter to Charles was carried to Breda by Francis "Frank" Boyle, Viscount Shannon: it is said to have been in Charles II's hands before Monck's emissary had done his work.
(Frank Boyle was husband of Charles' former mistress, Elizabeth "Black Betty" Killigrew. They had retired to their Irish estates to bring up their children quietly, including Charlotte Jemima Henrietta Maria Boyle much later acknowledged by Charles. So Broghill and Shannon would have been physically close enough to pull this off.)
Broghill's proposal that Charles II should land in Ireland proved superfluous.
About Tuesday 15 September 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
Sir Sydney Montagu, who was married to Paulina Pepys and one of the Master of Requests to Charles I, bought Hinchingbrooke House from Sir Oliver Cromwell (the Protector's uncle) on 20 June 1627. Oliver Cromwell (Protector) hated the Montagu family for living in what he considered his birthright.
Sir Sydney Montagu’s brother, Edward Montagu was 1st Lord Montagu of Boughton, Northamptonshire, and his other brother, Henry Montagu, was 1st Earl of Manchester with his seat at Kimbolton Castle.
So when he hear that the Earl of Sandwich has gone to Boughton, it's reasonable to assume he was visiting his family.
About Boughton, Northamptonshire
San Diego Sarah • Link
Sir Sydney Montagu, who was married to Paulina Pepys and one of the Master of Requests to Charles I, bought Hinchingbrooke House from Sir Oliver Cromwell (the Protector's uncle) on 20 June 1627. Oliver Cromwell (Protector) hated the Montagu family for living in what he considered his birthright.
Sir Sydney Montagu’s brother, Edward Montagu was 1st Lord Montagu of Boughton, Northamptonshire, and his other brother, Henry Montagu, was 1st Earl of Manchester with his seat at Kimbolton Castle.
So when he hear that the Earl of Sandwich has gone to Boughton, it's reasonable to assume he was visiting his family.
About Monday 14 September 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
"The George and Dragon Inn was the meeting place of the Trustees of the Wadesmill Turnpike Trust, and also of the local Justices."
Is the G&D in Ware or Buntingford?
About Monday 14 September 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
http://englishhistoryauthors.blog…
"Ermine Street was built in the 1st century, probably by the Ninth Legion Hispana.
The road left London through Bishopsgate and ran along the western edge of the fens of East Anglia.
As the legion advanced north they continued to build the road, ... and erected a string of forts at stopping points along the way, ..." to Lincoln and York.
About Sunday 13 September 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
SPOILER ALERT ... Pepys was probably targeted for membership as Charles II had intelligence from his sister and Sir Robert Moray that the Dutch intended to continue the war started by Cromwell.
In 1659 Moray was sent to spy on the Dutch through his Masonic connections, and then went to Paris to see what their reaction would be. After the Restoration Charles II welcomed Moray to Whitehall like a brother, set him up in an apartment, and gave him the job of modernizing the Navy with no funds.
Moray discovered fellow-Masons amongst the poor, unemployed scientific College professors (including John Wilkins, Cromwell's brother-in-law, and Seth Ward) at Gresham College. So he contacted other rich Royalist Masons who supported science and persuaded the two groups to cooperate to defend the nation.
Using Masonic rules of no politics or religion to be discussed during meetings, Moray spent the next 2 years guiding the discussions about ship technology, weapons and navigation. He showed his influence by getting Charles to agree to their Charter in one week. The Royal Society was able to leave its Masonic beginnings and under its first President after the Charter (15 July 1662), Viscount William Brouncker, went on to change science for ever.
For more, see http://www.gresham.ac.uk/lectures…
About Sunday 13 September 1663
San Diego Sarah • Link
I was pondering on why Thomas Povy would send Pepys a haunch of venison. Then I realized it is (a cold, admittedly) summer in London. If you had too much food, it's better to give it away quickly to a colleague (who will hopefully return the generosity at a later date) than let it go bad. Povy had a wealthy wife, and some very powerful connections, so would often find himself blessed with largess from others:
Highlights from a Wikipedia text copied on 10 September 2016 at 3:24AM. (it's only 9:25 p.m in California)
Thomas Povey was a London merchant-politician, active in colonial affairs from the 1650s, but neutral enough in his politics to be named a member from 1660 of Charles II's Council for Foreign Plantations, making him a powerful figure in the not-yet professionalized First English Empire, both "England's first colonial civil servant" and at the same time "a typical office holder of the Restoration".
Both Samuel Pepys and William Berkeley, Governor of Virginia, railed at times against Povey's incompetence and maladministration. [ I.E. Things fell off ships for him! ]
Thomas Povey was a cousin of Thomas Povey, Lieutenant Governor of Massachusetts, and of Sir John Povey, Lord Chief Justice of Ireland.
Following the Restoration he was appointed in July 1660 Treasurer to James, Duke of York.
He was First Treasurer to the Lords Commissioner for Tangier, a lucrative post ...
Povey family interests in the English Caribbean were extensive: Thomas' brother, Richard Povey, looked after the family interests in Jamaica, where he was officially Commissioner General for Provisions, while another brother, William, attended to affairs in Barbados, where he was officially Provost-General.
Povey was one of the original members of the Royal Society in May 1663 and had acted in the interests of its less formalized predecessor at Gresham College.
And he was a friend of John Evelyn.
I am sure a lot of things came Mr. Povy's way that could be "shared".